Panthers have top 5 offensive arsenal?

[bandu]

well of course certainties in this game are nonexistent.for example,just look at the way Derrick Henry explodes or let's say implodes on defenses in the pass heavy era of the NFL & on top of that  don't forger about the reclamation project Tannehill was

 

so do i see us doing as our neighbor. would do this upcoming season? why, of course not they almost made it to the Superbowl, but hey what do I know because you really never know.

 

go Panthers

 

[Waldo]

11 hours ago, stbugs said:

You don’t know that for sure. Sorry, but he’s done nothing so far to show he’s anything but average. You can be hopeful, but a guy who’s never thrown for more yards or TDs than Allen in 12 games isn’t a good QB yet.

Remember this game? Allen looked like a way better QB and it wasn’t close. We’ll see how he does and don’t worry I know what I wanted doesn’t matter, but it also doesn’t mean I won’t be correct.

If you wish it hard enough it will come true! Jiminy Cricket fans every offseason. And then the season happens...

[Sasquatch]

The offense will be tied for number 1. So will our defense.

[mrcompletely11]

12 minutes ago, Sasquatch said:

The offense will be tied for number 1. So will our defense.

Its too early in the day to be drinking that shroom tea brother

[Peon Awesome]

3 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think at this point its pretty irrelevant if Teddy is a "good" qb because his line is straight garbage and he is not a mobile qb that can evade pressure.  Add to the fact that its been years since he has played double digit games and I think there are some huge unknowns about him that go beyond if he is "good" or not.  I think if his knee wasnt an issue and if he was above average talented than the qb whisperer Payton would have held on to him since this is Brees last year.  I think its telling the Saints let him walk after having him in the building for quite some time.

Well if he was a definitive hall of fame talent, sure. The Panthers didn't sign Bridgewater expecting that's what they're getting. But in what world does it make sense for the Saints to pay $20+ million per season for a backup when they've been against the cap for years? It doesn't, no matter how much they like Teddy. The truth is unless the Saints wanted to cut ties with Brees early and hand the keys over to Bridgewater which they would never do to Brees, his time in New Orleans was done. And let's not pretend they didn't like him. They paid him to be the most expensive backup in the league last year and he proceeded to exceed expectations and go undefeated in 5 starts. So explain the logic that after he played terribly in the finale against the Panthers in 2018, they decided he was worth paying premium backup money, but after stepping in for an injured Brees and having the team not skip a beat and go undefeated they decide they don't want him anymore. It just became near impossible financially. And even if you argue that they could have structured the contract in a way to push the money down the line, then you're basically forcing Brees into retirement whenever Bridgewater's cap hit shoots up and they're not rushing Brees out the door as much as he's done for them and with people like Brady (and Brees himself) showing you can play at a high level in your twilight years.

Speaking of Brady, Pats had the same issue a few years ago with Garroppolo. They didn't trade him to SF cause they had no confidence he could step in and be a productive heir apparent to Brady. Hell, there were well publicized reports that Belichick was pissed they got rid of him. But they realized they couldn't compete with teams willing to pay starter level money for their excellent backup when they had a first ballot hall of famer still playing at a pro bowl level. Something called the salary cap.

[mrcompletely11]

18 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

Well if he was a definitive hall of fame talent, sure. The Panthers didn't sign Bridgewater expecting that's what they're getting. But in what world does it make sense for the Saints to pay $20+ million per season for a backup when they've been against the cap for years? It doesn't, no matter how much they like Teddy. The truth is unless the Saints wanted to cut ties with Brees early and hand the keys over to Bridgewater which they would never do to Brees, his time in New Orleans was done. And let's not pretend they didn't like him. They paid him to be the most expensive backup in the league last year and he proceeded to exceed expectations and go undefeated in 5 starts. So explain the logic that after he played terribly in the finale against the Panthers in 2018, they decided he was worth paying premium backup money, but after stepping in for an injured Brees and having the team not skip a beat and go undefeated they decide they don't want him anymore. It just became near impossible financially. And even if you argue that they could have structured the contract in a way to push the money down the line, then you're basically forcing Brees into retirement whenever Bridgewater's cap hit shoots up and they're not rushing Brees out the door as much as he's done for them and with people like Brady (and Brees himself) showing you can play at a high level in your twilight years.

Speaking of Brady, Pats had the same issue a few years ago with Garroppolo. They didn't trade him to SF cause they had no confidence he could step in and be a productive heir apparent to Brady. Hell, there were well publicized reports that Belichick was pissed they got rid of him. But they realized they couldn't compete with teams willing to pay starter level money for their excellent backup when they had a first ballot hall of famer still playing at a pro bowl level. Something called the salary cap.

They just signed Hill to a 2 year 16 million (guaranteed).  If they wanted to keep Teddy they would have found a way.  They didnt want him after years in the organization and going 5-0.  And lets not kid ourselves here this is most certainly Brees last year.   Plus your comment about paying him top back up money proves my point that they could have massaged their cap to get a deal done.  It could have been structured back loaded.  The Saints and Payton in particular let him walk in favor of Hill.  That is telling no matter how you try and justify it.

 

Brees is done after this year  https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/31/2020-nfl-season-sean-payton-get-up-espn-drew-brees-news/

[kungfoodude]

14 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

They just signed Hill to a 2 year 16 million (guaranteed).  If they wanted to keep Teddy they would have found a way.  They didnt want him after years in the organization and going 5-0.  And lets not kid ourselves here this is most certainly Brees last year.   Plus your comment about paying him top back up money proves my point that they could have massaged their cap to get a deal done.  It could have been structured back loaded.  The Saints and Payton in particular let him walk in favor of Hill.  That is telling no matter how you try and justify it.

 

Brees is done after this year  https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/31/2020-nfl-season-sean-payton-get-up-espn-drew-brees-news/

You are also removing the possibility that Teddy didn't want to come back to the Saints and was looking for a bigger payday elsewhere. That is entirely possible that is the case.

But, it's also possible that Sean Payton isn't spewing BS and really DOES believe Taysom Hill is "teh futurez."

Please, please, PLEASE let it be the latter. I am going to enjoy watching that whole franchise burn, if so.

[Peon Awesome]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

They just signed Hill to a 2 year 16 million (guaranteed).  If they wanted to keep Teddy they would have found a way.  They didnt want him after years in the organization and going 5-0.  And lets not kid ourselves here this is most certainly Brees last year.   Plus your comment about paying him top back up money proves my point that they could have massaged their cap to get a deal done.  It could have been structured back loaded.  The Saints and Payton in particular let him walk in favor of Hill.  That is telling no matter how you try and justify it.

 

Brees is done after this year  https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/31/2020-nfl-season-sean-payton-get-up-espn-drew-brees-news/

I wouldn't use Hill's 16 million dollar contract as a corollary for Bridgewater's $60 million (with $40 million guaranteed). They basically gave Hill the contract they had been giving Teddy till he outplayed it. 

Your post requires a lot of assumptions too. A) That it's Brees definitive final year. I don't think anyone including Brees himself knows that 100% despite what Payton may have alluded to in March. B) That Payton assumed he could compete with the offers Teddy would get on the open market and/or thought that was the best way to invest their limited funds when they're all in for a super bowl right now and C) That Teddy would rather take what's undoubtedly going to be less upfront money and no starter guarantee to stay with the Saints over take the starting job in Carolina.

With Hill, they had all the leverage. They could give him the restricted tender for like $4 million and force a team to give a 1st round pick if they signed him away. They used that leverage to keep him for 2 years at a reasonable salary. To assume that means they thought more highly of Hill than Teddy is making a pretty sizable leap. 

Again, I'll say if they thought Bridgewater was a future hall of famer, I agree they would make it work. No one is calling him that and we wouldn't have been able to get him for half the current going rate for an elite starting qb in 2020 if he had shown that. But to say they didn't have confidence he could be a viable starter in their system makes little sense when he proved just that last year.