10 best players on the roster right now:

[stbugs]

8 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

If we cut him this year, we still would 11.1m dead cap next year for Short. Dead cap lasts as long as the contract, hence why we are still paying Kalil's dead cap this year, along with Trai Turner, Greg Olsen, Eris Reid and Dontario Poe. Am I misunderstanding what you are saying here?

 

If we were to release him this year, technically we would be paying 28m of deadcap.

You are reading the dead cap as cumulative. It’s not, they are just saying if we cut him now, we have a $17M cap hit but the $11M in 2021 wouldn’t apply. That only applies if we keep him in 2020 and cut him in 2021.

Also, one thing people miss is that he does in fact have $6M in 2020 dead cap even if we keep him. That’s why even though his new money (salary/roster and workout bonus) is $13M, his 2020 cap hit is over $19M.

Short’s dead cap or let’s call it unaccounted cap space is $17M. If we keep him this year only $6M of it is accounted for this year and the other $11M hits in 2021. Even if we cut him this year, we can designate it as a post June 1st cut and that would spread it the exact same way, $6M in 2020 and $11M in 2021.

Hopefully, that’s helps. A lot of people get confused because that extra $6M in cap hit in 2020 isn’t called “dead cap” while Short is still on the team but it’s still there and doesn’t go away by paying more salary which is new cap.

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

You are reading the dead cap as cumulative. It’s not, they are just saying if we cut him now, we have a $17M cap hit but the $11M in 2021 wouldn’t apply. That only applies if we keep him in 2020 and cut him in 2021.

Also, one thing people miss is that he does in fact have $6M in 2020 dead cap even if we keep him. That’s why even though his new money (salary/roster and workout bonus) is $13M, his 2020 cap hit is over $19M.

Short’s dead cap or let’s call it unaccounted cap space is $17M. If we keep him this year only $6M of it is accounted for this year and the other $11M hits in 2021. Even if we cut him this year, we can designate it as a post June 1st cut and that would spread it the exact same way, $6M in 2020 and $11M in 2021.

Hopefully, that’s helps. A lot of people get confused because that extra $6M in cap hit in 2020 isn’t called “dead cap” while Short is still on the team but it’s still there and doesn’t go away by paying more salary which is new cap.

I don't believe this is correct. It is cumulative, its the remaining value of the contract. Maybe you could add some clarity by explaining why we are still paying dead cap for players we cut a year to two years ago, when their contract expected to run this length?

[stbugs]

2 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

I don't believe this is correct. It is cumulative, its the remaining value of the contract. Maybe you could add some clarity by explaining why we are still paying dead cap for players we cut a year to two years ago, when their contract expected to run this length?

It is correct and those numbers in the dead cap are not cumulative, only one of those numbers in that column will be the final dead cap hit based on which year the player is actually released. Trust me, I know how the cap works and how to read those tables. I've explained Short's cap hits a dozen times now.

If you click on the X next to a year on Sportrac.com, it shows you the cap hits if you release a player that year. The 2021 dead cap hit is $11M because if we keep Short in 2020, $6M of his $17M dead cap counts in 2020. That's why the yearly cash for 2020 is $13M, but his cap hit is $19M. Matt Kalil still counted against our cap in 2019 and 2020 because we designated him as a post June 1st cut in 2019 spreading his dead cap over 2 years. That's the max after releasing a player. Whatever dead cap is left for a released player has to hit that year or that year and the following. Also, we are not "paying" dead cap. It's an accounting trick. Looking at the table below, Short's cap hits for 2017-2019 were $35M, but he was paid $52M. That's where the $17M dead cap came from and it's got to hit our cap in 2020 and 2021 whether Short is on the team or not. The only delta is we pay him more salary and roster/workout bonuses if he stays on the team.

Look at the signing bonus and restructure bonus columns. Those were already paid to Short, but they put that money into different years because that's what happens with bonuses. They are pro-rated over the life of the contract including years that Short hasn't played. That's why Short can get paid $20M in 2017, but his cap number is $10M. Same with 2019 after the restructured salary into bonus money. $7.7M cap hit, but $13M in cash paid.

If you look at the Post 6/1 Release info for 2020, you see the $6M dead cap in 2020 and $11M dead cap in 2021. That dead cap scenario is exactly the same if Short plays in 2020, plus he has $13M in salary, so he has a $19M cap hit in 2020 ($6M dead cap, just not called dead cap) and an $11M cap hit (all dead) in 2021.

[Carl Spackler]

10 hours ago, t96 said:

Moore and Shaq could be argued top 20 at their position but it’s definitely nowhere near a consensus. 
Armah also definitely top 20 at his position although that’s a silly metric because there aren’t even that many starting FBs in the league...
 

Palardy not getting much love here either, he’s definitely a top 10 player for us, sad as that is. 

Nowhere near a consensus on Moore being top 20? The dude is hideously underrated. He ranked 8th among all WRs in yards last year despite 1) missing 1 3/4 games, and 2) catching passes from a hurt Cam, blind Allen and rookie Grier. He had more yds than Hopkins, Evans, lots of people I bet you wouldn’t dispute being top 15, let alone top 20 or top 25.

[Carl Spackler]

Re: Palardy, I was gonna include him but he posted pedestrian numbers last season across the board and had a league-leading 3 punts returned for touchdowns. Both of the ones against the Colts came off horrible punts that looked more like bullet passes than hangtime kicks. 

[therealmjl]

This team sucks. CMC, Moore and maybe Shaq.

That’s it.

[therealmjl]

Having a debate over whether or not to include your punter in your list of 10 best players on your team is pretty telling.