Does anyone actually believe Tepper has a clue what he’s doing

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

With a comment like this, I'd say that it's mostly Hurney hate...and/or you don't believe in the golden Rhule, and you're not really open-minded about the Cam-Bridgewater deal.

 

It's much too early to be wavering about our moves IMO. Let's give it three years. Then we'll have something more concrete to feel about.

I don't hate Hurney. He seems like a really good dude. It's just that all evidence indicates he isn't a good NFL GM. I would expect someone like Tepper who is supposedly amazing at analytics to quickly ascertain that. Rhule? I have hopes for him long-term. The growing pains with the transition will be real though. 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

I fully believe Tepper will make lots and lots and lots of money in the end.   I do not doubt him. 

Will he win lots of football games? Super Bowls? I have no more or no less confidence in him than the last ownership.   He is different.  That’s about all I know. 

This is the most logical comment out of any of them made here and tops all of them. It ridiculous to start thinking with a strong negativity about Tepper when not one person here knows anything about him at all yet and talk down on him. We need time for him to do his job and after things start going south then start making an assessment of the situation with his ownership abilities.

[Mistuh Jones]

12 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Tepper is a highly successful man. He is so because of his intelligence, patience,  and willingness to learn what he doesn't know. 

I'll take his worst decisions, over your best. 

 

Coaches of all kinds of coaching history fail. More fail than make it as head coaches. This includes the ones with tons of NFL experience. 

I'm much happier with Rhule than any NFL proven coach we could have gotten. 

 

You say it's taking a risk. 

 

Rhule's track record speaks for itself. You're wearing blinders,  to believe that he'll most likely fail. 

 

 

 

 

All of this and right here. I am baffled right now. But we're bored af I guess. I'll chalk it up to that

[ForJimmy]

2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

This is one of my favorites around here....hell, I made a thread just asking exactly how "Hurney 2.0" has really improved....I got nothing.

But here's the best part...posters here will talk about Hurney being better this time, and not making the same mistakes....yet we just paid a RB 1 year too early into his contract, and, well, we paid a running back...top of the heap money at that.  So we got that going for us...not to mention an off ball LB, instead of our best defensive player at a much more valuable position.

Next up, and I want all of the "Hurney 2.0" folks out there to realize, we have once again found ourselves in the bottom of the garbage can that is known as the NFL.  Hurney had/has constructed one of the very worst football teams in the history of the Panthers.  Many here were arguing if this team, or the 2010 team had the least amount of talent on it.  Jesus.

So we are likely to pick in the top 5...again under Hurney.  Have no depth.  Have one of the worst rosters in the NFL.  And our QB's signed long term are Will Grier (one of your picks you mentioned that we don't have to worry about any longer) and Teddy Bridgewater.

I simply have seen zero improvement, but let's don't let wins and losses sway that notion.

Thinking of CMC as just a RB would make the contract look bad. However we all know he is also one of our top WRs and a leader/captain. He barely trails Mike Thomas in receptions over his first 3 years and no one complains about the contract Thomas got. 
We just moved on from our franchise QB, had our best defender retire, moved on from Olsen (who signed a much cheaper contract) and now has our salary cap looking pretty good in the next few years. So yeah in year one of a rebuild with a coach who is known for rebuilding we don’t have much depth. We have young talent and a draft that most fans actually liked from top to bottom. 
The Shaq contract wasn’t that bad. Can you imagine losing him and Luke in the same year? It was basically between Shaq and Bradberry and Shaq was much cheaper. I’m interested to see how he will be used in our new defense before I make too much of a judgement.

I’m not saying Hurney is a great GM, just don’t think he is as bad as he was before. I would say he is average at best now, especially with Rhule controlling most of the draft. I haven’t seen him do anything too crazy that should get him fired. If Tepper has someone interested that would be an upgrade then I’m fine with moving on. I‘m just am not calling Tepper an idiot for not firing Hurney yet, that’s all.

[ForJimmy]

13 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Player's loved Ron Rivera though and he was a failure. Players don't generally love Belichick but he does well. They love Pete Carroll and he has done well. I don't think you can draw a direct line between loving your head coach and ultimate NFL success.

You are right about one thing, outside Shaq and CMC, we have at least hedged basically every bet we have made so far. That is where I will actually give the current regime credit.

Agreed, but Chip Kelly wasn’t that bad at coaching/schemes. In fact he had a decent record with a healthy Vick. However he lost his players support which ultimately led to his downfall. I would disagree with the comment players don’t love Belichick, but even if it’s true, they love winning and Bill has already proved if you buy into his coaching you are going to be winning a lot. In that regard he definitely has their respect. Rivera was loved, he was just in over his head as a head coach...

Let’s keep our fingers crossed that Rhule is more Carroll and less like Kelly.

[MechaZain]

Concerns over Hurney's money management are completely valid but he deserves more credit than he gets around here. Every time he hits the mark people act like it was no-brainer but the best player on the team and at his position right now was a controversial pick at the time. The big issues currently plaguing the roster are the after effects of Gettleman's decision-making. 

And for the record I believe the Cam move was almost certainly left up to Rhule by Tepper.

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Agreed, but Chip Kelly wasn’t that bad at coaching/schemes. In fact he had a decent record with a healthy Vick. However he lost his players support which ultimately led to his downfall. I would disagree with the comment players don’t love Belichick, but even if it’s true, they love winning and Bill has already proved if you buy into his coaching you are going to be winning a lot. In that regard he definitely has their respect. Rivera was loved, he was just in over his head as a head coach...

Let’s keep our fingers crossed that Rhule is more Carroll and less like Kelly.

The Kelly situation was also rumored to have happened with Harbaugh. I think some.of the college and NFL guys have issues keeping the locker room because of abrasive or indifferent personalities. Really no different that management that any of us have had in our lives.

We hear enough things about Belichick that we know he is not universally loved. He definitely isn't hated enough to have caused any mass exodus. Like you said, winning cures most ails in sports.

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Just like you don't  know Tepper. 

You obviously don't know me. 

You should stop trying. 

Lol. Came back an hour later to edit that last sentence in, eh?

Thanks for the rent free space in your head. 

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

This is the most logical comment out of any of them made here and tops all of them. It ridiculous to start thinking with a strong negativity about Tepper when not one person here knows anything about him at all yet and talk down on him. We need time for him to do his job and after things start going south then start making an assessment of the situation with his ownership abilities.

That's a fair assessment. I was pumped about adding him initially, but then we keep marching down the road of low percentage decisions and that has soured me. Plus, I really, really, REALLY didn't want to go through a "burn it completely to the ground" rebuilding because there is no guarantee that we are ever able to pull out of that nosedive. There aren't many established NFL franchises that started their inception by being complete dumpster fires for 5-10 years.

[Basbear]

I know the honeymoon is over with Tepper, but hes been around the right football people to pick up a thing or two. 

He choose Rhule and gave him the largest first time NFL coach contract, along with hiring all sort of Baylor/Temple people in various new positions. Thats what he wanted and we have to see if it was the right call or not.  

[top dawg]

11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't hate Hurney. He seems like a really good dude. It's just that all evidence indicates he isn't a good NFL GM. I would expect someone like Tepper who is supposedly amazing at analytics to quickly ascertain that. Rhule? I have hopes for him long-term. The growing pains with the transition will be real though. 

Evidence suggests that Hurney is probably average to maybe even above average (believe it or not). He's not some terrible GM like the Huddle narrative. That being said, he may not be the guy to get us over the mountain top. But, that still remains to be seen. I have no quarrel with how he's done upon his return, especially when put into context. But, it's a win-loss results-based business at the end of the day. I don't think Tepper is going to wait too long without winning consistently before he pulls the plug on Hurney if we don't move the needle upward within a couple of years.

[LinvilleGorge]

11 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Evidence suggests that Hurney is probably average to maybe even above average (believe it or not). He's not some terrible GM like the Huddle narrative. That being said, he may not be the guy to get us over the mountain top. But, that still remains to be seen. I have no quarrel with how he's done upon his return, especially when put into context. But, it's a win-loss results-based business at the end of the day. I don't think Tepper is going to wait too long without winning consistently before he pulls the plug on Hurney if we don't move the needle upward within a couple of years.

He's 102-122 as a GM. He's awful.

As a franchise, we're 10 percentage points better without Hurney than with him. We've won 45% of our games with him. We've won 55% without him. Put in other terms, our overall winning percentage without Hurney would be good for #6 among all NFL franchises. Our winning percentage with him is good for 29th. He's awful.

[kungfoodude]

14 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Evidence suggests that Hurney is probably average to maybe even above average (believe it or not). He's not some terrible GM like the Huddle narrative. That being said, he may not be the guy to get us over the mountain top. But, that still remains to be seen. I have no quarrel with how he's done upon his return, especially when put into context. But, it's a win-loss results-based business at the end of the day. I don't think Tepper is going to wait too long without winning consistently before he pulls the plug on Hurney if we don't move the needle upward within a couple of years.

How long is he going to wait on Rhule? Right now we are set up to be tremendously unsuccessful for a while. Tepper himself has publicly preached patience with the process. Are you so sure that patience isn't extended towards Hurney?

We don't know much yet. I am very concerned about what we end up finding out through the process.

[ForJimmy]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's 102-122 as a GM. He's awful.

As a franchise, we're 10 percentage points better without Hurney than with him. We've won 45% of our games with him. We've won 55% without him. Put in other terms, our overall winning percentage without Hurney would be good for #6 among all NFL franchises. Our winning percentage with him is good for 29th. He's awful.

I’m surprised a majority of the teams will fall into that 10% range of winning percentage. Makes me think overall the NFL is pretty evenly matched with only a few outliers...