Jourdan Rodrigue EXPOSES the Panthers

[arbnranger]

4 hours ago, Oldmanrivera said:

 

Please tell me the last time bill brought upon a player that didn't help him succeed.

 

Not sure where you’re going with this argument but to answer your question, plenty of times. 
 

Doesn't have anything to do with bringing Cam aboard. It was a good move. High potential- low risk. 

[Gesualdo]

12 hours ago, Basbear said:

This thought that the panthers had the weakest OL or didnt care is completely false. For nearly 4 years Cam had three 1st-team all-pros right in front of him. Turner was 2nd team, but he was a main stay at LG for 7 years. 

 

Yeah, definitely not getting my O-line takes from a guy who doesn't know which position Trai Turner played.

[WarHeel]

7 hours ago, Oldmanrivera said:

Not new, thats why I added why any reasonable person would care about how they feel about someone, when they espoused some truth

Reasonable people would. The huddle as a whole isn’t reasonable. 

[WarHeel]

7 hours ago, Oldmanrivera said:

or, stick with me here, people can agree with something regardless of what they consider that person to be.

 

I don’t disagree with that. The original post I made was sarcasm directed at those who can’t separate their feelings from the facts.

 

Plenty of folks on here looking to poo the truth just because they had a disagreement with someone on here thousands of posts ago.

[mrcompletely11]

7 hours ago, Oldmanrivera said:

how does that change anything she's said?

She isn't espousing anything fans here haven't already said.

You were drunk when you typed this right?  Had to be

[4Corners]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

I don’t disagree with that. The original post I made was sarcasm directed at those who can’t separate their feelings from the facts.

 

Plenty of folks on here looking to poo the truth just because they had a disagreement with someone on here thousands of posts ago.

Your opinions and posting history here isn’t very flattering. #GotDemReceipts 

[Snake]

On 7/2/2020 at 11:59 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

It's just his instinct. In the moment with the pass rusher bearing down on you the instant you take the snap, there's no time to think. You're just going to go on instinct. His instinct is to try to make something happen.

Or run for his life in most seasons. We took the black Payton Manning and our era Brian Urlacher and shortened their careers by 7 years by not adding players most important around them. 

[WarHeel]

1 hour ago, 4Corners said:

Your opinions and posting history here isn’t very flattering. #GotDemReceipts 

You think you’re Mr. Popular around here?

El oh el. Why don’t you slither your way back to the box, amigo.

[4Corners]

5 minutes ago, WarHeel said:

You think you’re Mr. Popular around here?

El oh el. Why don’t you slither your way back to the box, amigo.

You should seek out professional therapy. 

[WarHeel]

Just now, 4Corners said:

You should seek out professional therapy. 

Spoken like a true extremist. 

[musicman]

I am a Cam fan, big time, but I do believe with all that transpired, it was time to move on. I only think they moved on because of Teddy being available, having Brady as the OC who knew Teddy and not knowing if Cam can return close to what he was. Also factoring in that if you sink a large sum of cap space to one player, then 4 to 5 guys can take up half your cap when you need to sign 53 players. 

The past problems is not Rivera, not even Hurney but with Richardson. He ruled and ran the team/company. All moves are OK'd from the top, including over paying on a player. Gentlemen was the first to challenge that and start to do things different and helped get us close to winning a SB. 

Everything Jourdan is saying is true as Cam is not injury prone, just had a couple of bad injuries. Heck, he was in a car crash, broke 2 bones in his back and only missed 1 game. He's a freaking machine. If we won the SB or even the 1st game in 2016 in Denver (which was bullshit the hits Cam took), this team and where it goes from there is different. 

It was time, with a new staff and a system that's not entirely about a specific player, it's the next step to building a long term winner, year after year. 

I really like and support the common sense approach Tepper is taking. He's been successful in business and has been around the football business side with the Steelers. He's spending money on the little things that help build consistency, like a practice dome, etc. In 2 years you will all be happily jumping on the train. 

[AU-panther]

On 7/3/2020 at 11:08 AM, Cookie Lyon said:

Valid points. I think Tepper will have egg on his face because I believe that Cam will make a comeback. None of us know if he will or not, but at least the Patriots will give him a chance to prove it.  Also, I just don't believe you replace a player like Cam Newton with Teddy Bridgewater. No knock on Teddy, he just doesn't move the needle for me.

How Cam plays in New England is largely irrelevant in regards to "egg on this face" in regards to the question if we should have signed Cam to an extension.  Front offices don't have the luxury of hindsight. Would you have given Cam a long term extension at current QB prices (25-30m a year)?  I would guess most football people wouldn't.

If anything Cam ended up with egg on his face because he and/or his people overstated his value, and looking back he potentially lost out on roughly 18 million.  That is if they would have let him play out the last year of his deal, if he hadn't asked for an extension, which I don't know if any of us really know the answer to that.  I do know that once a high profile player hits the last year of his deal and starts to ask for an extension, that you reach a bit of a tipping point.  You either extend them or decide to move on (trade), trying to force them to play out the last year of their deal can be complicated, especially depending on how adamant they are about not doing so.

Luckily for Cam, and as a Cam fan I'm happy to see this, he ended up at the Patriots, which as we all know are a pretty good franchise.  Maybe he will get a chance to flourish.

Also I don't think we replaced Cam with Teddy, in reality we replaced Grier with Teddy.  I think the decision to move on from Cam had already happened.  Everyone assumed he would be traded.  I think early on we had decided to tank and roll with Grier but then Teddy became an option and we decided to go that route.  

If anything the decision to sign Teddy will be more of a "egg on the face" moment then not extending Cam.  I think a lot of people would have not extended Cam, I'm not sure a lot of other teams would have signed Teddy under our current condition.  If Cam plays great elsewhere you have lost the chance to have a franchise QB and to pay him in the $30m/year range.  If Teddy plays bad you still don't have a franchise QB, you spent considerable cap dollars (40-60m), and you potentially lost considerable draft capital (picks and position).

[KillerKat]

12 hours ago, Oldmanrivera said:

In her defense, she probably couldn't have clearance and speak truth at the same time

I was just going to say the same thing. That this also shows how much this organization has kept reporters mouths closed. It's sad.

Everything Jordan said is exactly what I and others with a brain that aren't bigoted ass wipes have been saying about Cam for years.

[KillerKat]

On 7/2/2020 at 8:21 PM, t96 said:

Russell Wilson has had an OL and weapons just as bad if not worse his whole career. He knows when and how to not take hits and put himself at risk. And as the Seahawks have improved the offense around them, they’ve had less and less playoff success than when they were invested in building a top defense. Cam was part FB playing QB and the coaching staff allowed it because if they didn’t Cam wouldn’t be anywhere near the player he was and wouldn’t be himself. It was always a matter of time with Cam whether he was here or another team. He needs to take some of the blame for his playing style.

These are the kinds of sh1t takes that have plagued this organization for years and have been the wall that Rivera and his crew have hid behind as an excuse for their incompetence. It's asinine to blame the hard working laborer for failure when they aren't given the tools to succeed. You and the people that share your opinion for whatever reason fail to see the real problem time and time again.