Unpopular opinion. Just cancel all pro sports until a vaccine hits

[RASTAN66]

10 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

Our most recent update came on Friday, which said there were 17 patients in our medical ICU with COVID, the majority on the ventilator. In an average flu season, we have about 3 patients with the flu in the ICU on the ventilator at any one time and that's with the entire country open and almost no one taking any precautions. There are times when the entire medical ICU doesn't even have 17 patients TOTAL in a regular season.

Total number of ICU beds in your hospital?

How many ventilators does your  facility have?  

Are you in North Carolina?

[Peon Awesome]

10 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

Total number of ICU beds in your hospital?

How many ventilators does your  facility have?  

Are you in North Carolina?

I don't know have exact numbers for each of your questions. This is in North Carolina. For my posts I am discussing specifically medical ICU beds; there are several additional surgical ICU beds as well that sometimes get used as overflow if needed and available. Our medical ICU had 30 beds pre-COVID. To accommodate for COVID, we expanded it by about 15 beds. As of now there's a pretty even split for patients in the ICU with and without COVID.

Again, not sure about ventilators. With our COVID updates, they send us the total numbers for the entire hospital system that includes close to a dozen hospitals, and that references 300+ ventilators. I suspect our main hospital covers about a quarter of those, so maybe 80, but thats a guess. The hospital really went into overdrive for contingency planning in the event we get hit hard and thus far we're doing pretty good. I'm hoping it stays manageable but I do worry what the peak will look like especially as more of the state opens and people start to relax their guard.

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, RASTAN66 said:

PGA Tour player tested positive this week and the event motored right along without a hiccup...

...in case you were wondering a Charlottean won the event — Webb Simpson clipped a $1,350,000 1st-place check for his hard work. 
 

Players gonna play...

 

#NextManUp

Golf isn't a great example as the players are generally almost always both socially distant and physically distant during play.

Football, hockey, basketball, wrestling(and wrasslin'), etc have a higher risk of transmission just due to the nature of the sports.

You could easily have a scenario in which an entire team(or most of a team) is down for the count if an outbreak takes away. How do you account for that? Are they just forfeiting? Do you have to sign replacement players? Do you reschedule?

Make no mistake, the return to professional sports is gonna have it's challenges with the COVIAIDS scare around. It just kind of is what it is.

[RASTAN66]

1 hour ago, Peon Awesome said:

I don't know have exact numbers for each of your questions. This is in North Carolina. For my posts I am discussing specifically medical ICU beds; there are several additional surgical ICU beds as well that sometimes get used as overflow if needed and available. Our medical ICU had 30 beds pre-COVID. To accommodate for COVID, we expanded it by about 15 beds. As of now there's a pretty even split for patients in the ICU with and without COVID.

Again, not sure about ventilators. With our COVID updates, they send us the total numbers for the entire hospital system that includes close to a dozen hospitals, and that references 300+ ventilators. I suspect our main hospital covers about a quarter of those, so maybe 80, but thats a guess. The hospital really went into overdrive for contingency planning in the event we get hit hard and thus far we're doing pretty good. I'm hoping it stays manageable but I do worry what the peak will look like especially as more of the state opens and people start to relax their guard.

In an earlier post you said “trust me”...

...I don’t trust you. 
 

All good, no worries from my end, you keep on keeping on...

Cheers mate. 

[Peon Awesome]

3 hours ago, RASTAN66 said:

In an earlier post you said “trust me”...

...I don’t trust you. 
 

All good, no worries from my end, you keep on keeping on...

Cheers mate. 

Very well, as is your prerogative in an internet message board. I don't recall using the words "trust me" but perhaps you can jog my memory on that (edit: looking back on every post I made in this thread, I find no such wording so perhaps you mistake me for someone else). I apologize if something in any of my responses gives you pause. Perhaps I should know the exact number of ventilators to gain your trust? I assure you, it would be far more suspicious if I would be able to spew the exact numbers off the top of my head. Or better yet, I suspect gaining your trust in any manner via a few posts on an anonymous internet message board was too tall a task regardless.

My only concern with your statement is that we've entered an era where people choose to disregard anyone who says anything that contradicts their beliefs and choose to believe without hesitation those who parrot their thinking, regardless of whether they have any expertise at all on the subject. I only hope you will see I have no agenda other than pleading that we try to do our part to minimize unnecessary deaths and hospitalizations while keeping the economy running. If you see some kind of devious misdirection on my part, I do apologize whatever I said or conveyed to give you that impression. Appreciate you reading my words nonetheless.

[Jeremy Igo]

6 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

Very well, as is your prerogative in an internet message board. I don't recall using the words "trust me" but perhaps you can jog my memory on that (edit: looking back on every post I made in this thread, I find no such wording so perhaps you mistake me for someone else). I apologize if something in any of my responses gives you pause. Perhaps I should know the exact number of ventilators to gain your trust? I assure you, it would be far more suspicious if I would be able to spew the exact numbers off the top of my head. Or better yet, I suspect gaining your trust in any manner via a few posts on an anonymous internet message board was too tall a task regardless.

My only concern with your statement is that we've entered an era where people choose to disregard anyone who says anything that contradicts their beliefs and choose to believe without hesitation those who parrot their thinking, regardless of whether they have any expertise at all on the subject. I only hope you will see I have no agenda other than pleading that we try to do our part to minimize unnecessary deaths and hospitalizations while keeping the economy running. If you see some kind of devious misdirection on my part, I do apologize whatever I said or conveyed to give you that impression. Appreciate you reading my words nonetheless.

This dude has been killing it in this thread. Thank you for posting. Very informative.

[kungfoodude]

6 hours ago, Peon Awesome said:

Very well, as is your prerogative in an internet message board. I don't recall using the words "trust me" but perhaps you can jog my memory on that (edit: looking back on every post I made in this thread, I find no such wording so perhaps you mistake me for someone else). I apologize if something in any of my responses gives you pause. Perhaps I should know the exact number of ventilators to gain your trust? I assure you, it would be far more suspicious if I would be able to spew the exact numbers off the top of my head. Or better yet, I suspect gaining your trust in any manner via a few posts on an anonymous internet message board was too tall a task regardless.

My only concern with your statement is that we've entered an era where people choose to disregard anyone who says anything that contradicts their beliefs and choose to believe without hesitation those who parrot their thinking, regardless of whether they have any expertise at all on the subject. I only hope you will see I have no agenda other than pleading that we try to do our part to minimize unnecessary deaths and hospitalizations while keeping the economy running. If you see some kind of devious misdirection on my part, I do apologize whatever I said or conveyed to give you that impression. Appreciate you reading my words nonetheless.

That guy is a troll. Better off not feeding him.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

51 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

This dude has been killing it in this thread. Thank you for posting. Very informative.

That's a person whose worldview and opinions are shaped by facts, not the other way around.

[stirs]

1 minute ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

That's a person whose worldview and opinions are shaped by facts, not the other way around.

Yeah, he is an outlier around here

[DeAngelo Beason]

On 6/19/2020 at 10:42 PM, 4Corners said:

Where in the hell did you get the “vaccine is right around the corner” information? 
 

it’s pretty obvious the people currently in charge of the country have thrown in the towel. At this point I’d be surprised if there are sports the rest of the year and maybe further. 

There are numerous vaccines that have already made it through human trials.  Early estimates are fall, late estimates are early next year.

 

Edit - Early estimates FOR those companies.  

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

On 6/20/2020 at 10:13 PM, Panthera onca said:

I’m pretty sure you could not understand or accept anything but mainstream media propaganda so no thanks. The information is out there but I won’t do your research for you.

What a smug pile of poo this post is.

[Wes21]

11 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Golf isn't a great example as the players are generally almost always both socially distant and physically distant during play.

Football, hockey, basketball, wrestling(and wrasslin'), etc have a higher risk of transmission just due to the nature of the sports.

You could easily have a scenario in which an entire team(or most of a team) is down for the count if an outbreak takes away. How do you account for that? Are they just forfeiting? Do you have to sign replacement players? Do you reschedule?

Make no mistake, the return to professional sports is gonna have it's challenges with the COVIAIDS scare around. It just kind of is what it is.

When I went to a golf event as a fan I was also able to socially distance myself from other fans.  I couldn't do that when I went to a basketball or football game.

[Peon Awesome]

Thanks everyone for the positive messages. I find the divide we have in this country alarmingly disturbing. In response I have made a concerted effort to genuinely understand why people believe what they do in the hopes I can meet them there and civilly explain why my beliefs differ from theirs. Usually their beliefs start from a place of truth that is so heavily distorted to fit the narrative without any context. For instance, back when there were a similar number of deaths from COVID as a really bad flu season, people would use that to support their belief that it's no worse than the flu, ignoring the fact that cases were still rapidly rising and the whole country was shut down so we had kept the numbers unnaturally low, compared to a flu season where everything is open and no one is taking precautions. Now we have twice as many deaths, with numbers only still ramping up in most places. I had another friend who quoted a statistic that said the death rate in the US was something outrageously low, like 0.002%. I then realized they had taken the total number of deaths and divided it by the entire US population rather than the number of cases (and this was like 2 months ago when only a very small percentage of people had gotten it).

Not sure if my method will get a single person to open their mind but seems worth trying a new strategy since back and forth name-calling hasn't worked. 

[LinvilleGorge]

50 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

There are numerous vaccines that have already made it through human trials.  Early estimates are fall, late estimates are early next year.

 

Edit - Early estimates FOR those companies.  

Vaccines are made with magic. It'll still be awhile between full approval and widespread availability. I see very little possibility of having a vaccine available in significant quantities for another year or so.