Pick your GOAT: Luke, 89 or...

[thefuzz]

GOAT, as far as I know, stands for greatest of all time.

Greatest Panther of all time is 89.  That's solely because of his longevity, and how many seasons he played for us.

Best Panther of all time is Luke.  From the moment he took over the MLB position, he was the very best in the league, year in and year out.  That is all kinds of hard to do.

Peppers was very important, and will be a 1st ballot HOFer, but only played half of his career here.  Had he stayed for the entire ride, I would probably place him above Smith.

Cam is probably the most impactful Panther ever, but not the greatest.

[AU-panther]

5 hours ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Cam overall was probably the most impactful player the panthers have ever had, some of that is because of just how important the QB position is.

 

If you look at it in terms of just how many seasons was each player the very best in the league, Peppers and Kuechly probably win. Both were the #1 player at their respective position for several years. Cam was the best QB in the NFL for one season. Sure, top 5 some other seasons, but only the best for one.

This^

As a QB, Cam had more influence on winning and losing than any of the other 4.

but

If you are talking about best to their relative position there are only 2 to really consider, Luke and Peppers

Easiest way to look at this, of those 4 who would you consider top 10? top 5? top 3?

You could make top 3 arguments for Luke and Peppers, the other 2 not really.

[CRA]

56 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

This^

As a QB, Cam had more influence on winning and losing than any of the other 4.

but

If you are talking about best to their relative position there are only 2 to really consider, Luke and Peppers

Easiest way to look at this, of those 4 who would you consider top 10? top 5? top 3?

You could make top 3 arguments for Luke and Peppers, the other 2 not really.

asking who the GOAT is like asking who the league MVP should be.  All depends on what you are defining MVP or GOAT as.  For example, the MVP rarely goes to the most valuable player but the player with the best season (and slanted to the teams winning).   But that really isn't what MVP means. 

Cam did things that Luke, Peppers, and even 89 didn't do.  Cam made us relevant outside of Carolinas.   Folks around the country would recognize the Panthers without them having to be on the birth of a playoff appearance.  Cam was the first player in our history that really sold and excited the masses.  As much as WE loved 89....there weren't kids all over the country pretending to be 89 like they were with Cam. 

Cam was the biggest face this franchise has seen.  No player in our history determined the outcomes of games in the manner Cam did.  There also is no comparable to Cam to date in NFL history.    If you are having a conversation of Panther GOATs? He belongs in a talk but he isn't the GOAT of the franchise. . 

Luke is the best football player we have had.  Pep right there with him.  More flaws but more impactful and exciting.  89 the most universally beloved and entertaining. 

[micnificent28]

On 6/17/2020 at 6:49 PM, Jesse said:

On a level of playing at the highest level consistently it’s Luke hands down. Yeah Cam won the MVP, but we don’t go to the Super Bowl if Luke’s not on the team. Honestly it’s a toss up. They’re all Panther greats regardless. I miss the behind the scenes leadership Pep brought and the on field attitude Smitty had. 
 

We’ll never see anyone in a Panthers uni come close to those guys anytime soon. 

So we go to the superbowl without the nfl mvp... get out of here with that nonsense.

[micnificent28]

On 6/18/2020 at 11:04 AM, Carl Spackler said:

lol saying Dan Morgan is a comparable player to Luke Kuechly will always and forever be as valid as saying Steve Beuerlein was a comparable player to Cam Newton. Stupidity has never been stronger than the year of our Lord 2020

Not really... athletically I think they were pretty close.

[micnificent28]

On 6/18/2020 at 1:01 PM, Moo Daeng said:

Newton is barely in the conversation. Let's be real.

how the frump can the ONLY caronlina panther to win an NFL mvp be barely in the conversation? People love to say quarterback is the most important position until it comes to Cam.. guy carried the offense single handedly most of his career and IS the alltime leading rushing touchdown leader at position. Barely in the conversation?

[Carl Spackler]

27 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Not really... athletically I think they were pretty close.

You think Morgan and Luke are close as players?

[GoobyPls]

17 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

Fun fact: Luke Kuechly averaged 2.5x as many sacks per game as Beason!!! (Which is actually true)

Am I doing this right? Statistics are fun without context.

How about the context that the panthers went above and beyond to surround Kuechly with help, meanwhile Beason was a one man front seven the majority of his tenure. The panthers invested more in Luke than they did in Cam LOL.

[RASTAN66]

4 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

how the frump can the ONLY caronlina panther to win an NFL mvp be barely in the conversation?

Very thin field.

[OneBadCat]

4 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

You think Morgan and Luke are close as players?

I think they were pretty close at playing MLB. But in terms of leading a unit and basically being a coach on the field Luke is miles better. His ability to predict what the offense was doing was what truly made him special. Morgan and Beason didn't have that ability, not to that degree anyway.

[OneBadCat]

Side note the Panthers are getting roasted pretty bad in the media for this poll. Rightfully so I think. It might not have been intentional to exclude Cam but someone in PR should have caught that. 

[onmyown]

GOAT is best at their position...

You can’t compare a MLB to a WR lol...

You compare how the players stacked up against other players in the NFL at their position. 

Pep beats them all. Luke would have but longevity is a factor. Pep, Luke, Smith. I don’t know why people are so butthurt Cam ranks 4. That’s still really good. 

Using the above rational criteria Cam does not qualify. The only discussion Cam is GOAT for is rushing for a qb. But we’re not picking apart single attributes for GOAT. But he’s not even done playing...that’s the point of the Panther’s question.

Of corse the Panthers with get roasted, until Cam gets signed and his fanboys have something to do and a team to follow they’ll continue to flame the Panthers.

[onmyown]

On 6/18/2020 at 7:43 AM, Bronn said:

I have to seriously question the motives of anyone picking Luke over Smitty first and foremost, and even Pep to an extent.

I'm not surprised, given our fan base still has a lot of holdover fans of a certain type.

Luke was great, yes. The Panthers GOAT? Laughable.

Dan Morgan and Jon Beason were great, too. Beason maybe even approached Luke level great.

None of them were on Smitty or Pep's level.

Teams FEARED Smitty and Pep.

Smitty is the greatest WR in the history of the NFL. Pep is likely the greatest DE in the history of the NFL. Luke is maybe a top 5 MLB of all time.

But while people praise Luke for his arguably brief career and numerous accolades (all of which he earned and deserves) they sure are quick to write off Smitty and Pep for things like locker room drama or "having heart" or whatever nonsense they can come up with.

I've even seen Pep's masculinity and sexuality questioned on these forums over the years. Same with Cam.

I wonder why that only occurs with certain players?
 

Good lord what a poo stain of a post lol

embarrassing 

[micnificent28]

7 hours ago, onmyown said:

GOAT is best at their position...

You can’t compare a MLB to a WR lol...

You compare how the players stacked up against other players in the NFL at their position. 

Pep beats them all. Luke would have but longevity is a factor. Pep, Luke, Smith. I don’t know why people are so butthurt Cam ranks 4. That’s still really good. 

Using the above rational criteria Cam does not qualify. The only discussion Cam is GOAT for is rushing for a qb. But we’re not picking apart single attributes for GOAT. But he’s not even done playing...that’s the point of the Panther’s question.

Of corse the Panthers with get roasted, until Cam gets signed and his fanboys have something to do and a team to follow they’ll continue to flame the Panthers.

How this seems to apply for luke but not cam I dont know. Cam was not only a rushing qb it was part of the equation. People love to seperate the 2. What if we said luke was only a tackling linebacker and he wasn't good in coverage or getting sacks? No you don't seperate a players gifts because if Tom Brady could run a 4.3 he wouldn't be just a pocket qb.