Pick your GOAT: Luke, 89 or...

[CRA]

Luke was technically the best actual football player.   He just happened to play LB.  Other greats played more impactful and more entertaining positions. Everyone else has also negative aspects to them that Luke doesn’t own. 

But 89 is the GOAT.  All things factored. 

And while Peppers NFL legacy is above Cam and is a first ballot HOFer....Cam should rank higher in terms of what he meant he to Carolina than Pep.

My 2 cents 

[Carl Spackler]

1 hour ago, Bronn said:

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had 1.33 more tackles per game than Jon Beason.

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had .045 more interceptions per game than Jon Beason.

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had .027 more forced fumbles per game than Jon Beason.

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had .062 more sacks per game than Jon Beason.

So, tell me again how Luke Kuechly is so much more better than Jon Beason.

 

Cam Newton, for his career, had a 0.2% higher touchdown rate than Steve Beuerlein. You can cherry-pick stats for anyone.

You can’t discount  awards. That’s positively stupid. Hell, Luke had as many All-Pro seasons as Morgan played. Beason had a prime Julius Peppers in front of him while Luke made do with a good Charles Johnson. 

[Carl Spackler]

28 minutes ago, CRA said:

Luke was technically the best actual football player.   He just happened to play LB.  Other greats played more impactful and more entertaining positions. Everyone else has also negative aspects to them that Luke doesn’t own. 

But 89 is the GOAT.  All things factored. 

And while Peppers NFL legacy is above Cam and is a first ballot HOFer....Cam should rank higher in terms of what he meant he to Carolina than Pep.

My 2 cents 

Cam is the GOAT. Steve Smith’s longevity and explosiveness made him great. No one played a position better than Luke, no matter how many comparisons people make to him and Tarek Saleh, Dan Morgan, Hannibal Navies, Chris Draft, whoever. 

[Moo Daeng]

Newton is barely in the conversation. Let's be real.

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, Bronn said:

Put Smitty with Peyton Manning like Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison were in that era, and Smitty wins the triple crown every year and is close to, if not, #1 in receiving yards all time.

Smitty had Weinke, Peete, Moore, Testaverde, Clausen, Delhomme, and a young Cam. Aside from Cam in the twilight of his career, he had NOTHING at QB, was on a run first offense in a dying era of rushing offenses, had no real consistent supporting WR cast, and incompetent coordinators. He wasn't even given a shot at WR his rookie season.

As to the Pep points, Reggie White never did the things Pep did. He was legitimately pretty one dimensional, and he was good at being that one thing. A pass rushing DE that got the the QB fast. Pep dropped into coverage, got picks, returned picks, had goal line offense appearances, etc. But, I'll give you that the White/Peppers argument is a lot closer than someone comparable to Smitty at WR.

Don't play what if games. 

[shaqattaq]

19 hours ago, Gipetto said:

Them not putting cam on that list is a bad look

He is the only one who could single-handedly carry the team to a win. Hell, with a decent (not elite) line and no receivers, he took us to the SB.

Edit: Cam is not the GOAT, IMO. I just think he is worthy of discussion, let's hope that they only included retired players. T answer the question:

1. Pepp had the best career, even though a lot of it was not with the Panthers.

2. Smitty had the biggest impact to the franchise.

3.Luke had the potential to upset them both if he had been able to play a few more years.

4. Cam, simply because he was so damned fun to watch and there has never been another player like him. 

[pantherclaw]

Shameful the amount of disrespect in this thread. 

SMH. 

[pantherphan96]

6 hours ago, MVPccaffrey said:

#1 must have pissed off a lot of people in the Org to not even be listed for pandering purposes, wow.

 

Answer is clearly 59 either way, though.  

more like its a really bad look for fans to vote Cam as the best player in franchise history when they unceremoniously dumped him on his ass and paid a shittier version of him more money

[pantherphan96]

everyone on that list is a Panthers great obviously but the difference is draft any one of them #1 in the 2011 draft and we likely get the #1 pick again the next year. Cam brought this franchise respectability in the NFL, we'd be the Browns of the NFC South without any of the history of success if it weren't for him carrying this offense for years.

[BlackCats2013]

Cam is the best player the Panthers have ever had and has made the biggest impact

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Cam has had the best single season in Panthers history. But his career just can't compare to that of Smith and Peppers. Take 2015 out and this wouldn't even be a conversation. Too many people on here think with their heart instead of their head.

[Carl Spackler]

2 hours ago, pantherphan96 said:

more like its a really bad look for fans to vote Cam as the best player in franchise history when they unceremoniously dumped him on his ass and paid a shittier version of him more money

Teddy Bridgewater, as a player, is completely different than Cam. He’s not a version at all — better or worse. They’re entirely different types of players. 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Team takes 1 step forward and two steps back constantly, although not my goat, leaving cam off is asinine 

idiotic level tweet 

[ForJimmy]

Randy Fasani or Rodney Peete?