Pick your GOAT: Luke, 89 or...

[Bronn]

I see a whole lot of meaningless words by people trying to justify Luke Keuchly as the Panthers GOAT.

That is pretty laughable.

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, Bronn said:

I see a whole lot of meaningless words by people trying to justify Luke Keuchly as the Panthers GOAT.

That is pretty laughable.

The most meaningless words you see are the ones you type and the most laughable assertions are, once again, your own.

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/boards/topic/163873-pick-your-goat-luke-89-or/?do=findComment&comment=5205159 

Willful ignorance is still ignorance.

[Carl Spackler]

When faced with indisputable fact and evidence, the losing argument suddenly becomes a bout with "meaningless words." 

[Carl Spackler]

lol saying Dan Morgan is a comparable player to Luke Kuechly will always and forever be as valid as saying Steve Beuerlein was a comparable player to Cam Newton. Stupidity has never been stronger than the year of our Lord 2020

[Bronn]

1 minute ago, Carl Spackler said:

When faced with indisputable fact and evidence, the losing argument suddenly becomes a bout with "meaningless words." 

"indisputable fact and evidence"

lmfao

Where?

[CarolinaNCSU]

Just now, Bronn said:

I see a whole lot of meaningless words by people trying to justify Luke Keuchly as the Panthers GOAT.

That is pretty laughable.

My first post in this thread put them on the same tier, and gave Smitty more of the nod as better Panther, but Luke the better player. 

Steve Smith - "Best WR of ALL TIME" - 16 seasons

•  One 1st team All-Pro as a WR, one 2nd team (made 1st team in 2001 as a returner) 
• Lead the league in catches, yards, and TD's one time - 2005
• Modern era, maybe/probably a Top 10 WR

Luke Kuechly - 8 seasons

• 5x 1st team All-Pro, 2x 2nd team All-Pro
• DPOY, DROY, NFL All-Decade team
• Modern era, maybe/probably a Top 3 LB

 

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, Bronn said:

"indisputable fact and evidence"

lmfao

Where?

52 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Dan Morgan - 1 Pro Bowl, 1 All-Pro
Jon Beason - 3 Pro Bowl, 2 All-Pro
Luke Kuechly - 7 Pro Bowl, 7 All-Pro, NFL Defensive Player of the Year, NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year, 3 Butkus Awards, 2 seasons leading NFL in tackles

[CarolinaNCSU]

And for the record, Pep probably has the best career overall.  But, he was only a Panther for half of that.  Can't really be the Panthers GOAT to me if you played half your snaps somewhere else. 

[OneBadCat]

Luke across the board is probably the Panthers best GOAT. He fully maximized his potential during his playing career. Smitty is the GOAT  WR but he lost opportunities due to injury, crap QBs and weak supporting cast. Both legitimately one of the best to ever play though.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

So much butt hurt in this thread.

 

89 is the obvious answer.

[Bronn]

16 minutes ago, CarolinaNCSU said:

My first post in this thread put them on the same tier, and gave Smitty more of the nod as better Panther, but Luke the better player. 

Steve Smith - "Best WR of ALL TIME" - 16 seasons

•  One 1st team All-Pro as a WR, one 2nd team (made 1st team in 2001 as a returner) 
• Lead the league in catches, yards, and TD's one time - 2005
• Modern era, maybe/probably a Top 10 WR

Luke Kuechly - 8 seasons

• 5x 1st team All-Pro, 2x 2nd team All-Pro
• DPOY, DROY, NFL All-Decade team
• Modern era, maybe/probably a Top 3 LB

 

 

15 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

 

awards don't really mean crap tbqh

 

All the knocks you can come up with to disregard Smitty are discounted by who he was playing with here, from the head coaches and coordinators to the personnel.

Think about it. He didn't have a shot at OROY because we refused to play him at WR his rookie season. He wasn't going to get the notoriety many years because we didn't have a QB and we were a small market team.

[Bronn]

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had 1.33 more tackles per game than Jon Beason.

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had .045 more interceptions per game than Jon Beason.

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had .027 more forced fumbles per game than Jon Beason.

Luke Kuechly, for his career, had .062 more sacks per game than Jon Beason.

So, tell me again how Luke Kuechly is so much more better than Jon Beason.

 

[CarolinaNCSU]

3 minutes ago, Bronn said:

awards don't really mean crap tbqh

All the knocks you can come up with to disregard Smitty are discounted by who he was playing with here, from the head coaches and coordinators to the personnel.

Think about it. He didn't have a shot at OROY because we refused to play him at WR his rookie season. He wasn't going to get the notoriety many years because we didn't have a QB and we were a small market team.

Yeahhh, when having GOAT debates and calling someone the best of all-time, they might want to have some rings or awards. 

Even Josh Gordon put up 87 catches, 1646 yards, and 9 TDs in the QB and coaching mecca of Cleveland his 2nd year. Imagine if he had Peyton Manning instead of those stats he put up with Jason Campbell/Brandon Weeden. He'd win the triple crown every year. 

Smitty is (better than), but in the same level as guys like Andre Johnson and Larry Fitz.  Largely bad or mediocre QB play for much of their careers, smaller market or less prestigious teams, blah blah.

 

Again, my whole point here is never to discredit Smitty as a Panther. But the fact you think he's the GOAT WR when Rice, Moss, Calvin Johnson, TO, Fitz, Carter, Irvin and even newer guys like Julio exist who could end up with better careers.  Not even getting into guys from the 70's/early 80's who I'd discredit a little compared to the more modern era.  You talked about homer goggles in this thread earlier, while with a straight face thinking Smitty is the best WR of all-time despite there being zeroooo evidence of that beyond the wet dream of what if's in your head. 

[KillaCamNewton]

As big of a Cam stan i am no need to be butthurt about this. Smith is top 10 for receivers in yards and catches and Luke and Pep are top 5 ever at their positions. Cam had the potential to be the GOAT QB but unfortunately Ron ran him into the ground. Not sure if he will even be remembered top 25 all time as a QB