Richardson Statue Coming Down

[NanuqoftheNorth]

 

On 6/11/2020 at 8:37 PM, Inimicus said:

I need to give this some thought.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Some more food for thought on Robert E. Lee...

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... even if one conceded Lee’s military prowess, he would still be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans in defense of the South’s authority to own millions of human beings as property because they are black. Lee’s elevation is a key part of a 150-year-old propaganda campaign designed to erase slavery as the cause of the war and whitewash the Confederate cause as a noble one. That ideology is known as the Lost Cause, and as the historian David Blight writes, it provided a “foundation on which Southerners built the Jim Crow system.”

Lee’s heavy hand on the Arlington, Virginia, plantation, Pryor writes, nearly led to a slave revolt, in part because the enslaved had been expected to be freed upon their previous master’s death, and Lee had engaged in a dubious legal interpretation of his will in order to keep them as his property, one that lasted until a Virginia court forced him to free them.

When two of his slaves escaped and were recaptured, Lee either beat them himself or ordered the overseer to “lay it on well.” Wesley Norris, one of the slaves who was whipped, recalled that “not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done.”

Lee proposed an exchange of prisoners with the Union general Ulysses S. Grant. “Grant agreed, on condition that black soldiers be exchanged ‘the same as white soldiers.’” Lee’s response was that “negroes belonging to our citizens are not considered subjects of exchange and were not included in my proposition.”

In Reading the Man, the historian Elizabeth Brown Pryor’s portrait of Lee through his writings, Pryor writes that “Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis tradition of respecting slave families” by hiring them off to other plantations, and that “by 1860 he had broken up every family but one on the estate, some of whom had been together since Mount Vernon days.” The separation of slave families was one of the most unfathomably devastating aspects of slavery, and Pryor wrote that Lee’s slaves regarded him as “the worst man I ever see.”

Lee had beaten or ordered his own slaves to be beaten for the crime of wanting to be free; he fought for the preservation of slavery; his army kidnapped free black people at gunpoint and made them unfree—but all of this, he insisted, had occurred only because of the great Christian love the South held for black Americans. Here we truly understand Frederick Douglass’s admonition that “between the Christianity of this land and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest possible difference.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/

 

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Reeves explains that after losing the war, Lee attempted to present himself as always being against slavery. In an interview after his surrender, Reeves says, Lee said that "the best men of the South" were eager to do away with it, and in a testimony in 1866 he had "always been in favor of emancipation — gradual emancipation."

But Reeves writes that the historical record doesn’t support these statements, as Lee and his family owned and managed slaves for decades and benefited "tremendously" from the institution.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/12/facebook-posts/fact-checking-claims-about-robert-e-lees-position-/

 

[SmittysLawnGuy]

On 6/11/2020 at 10:16 PM, mav1234 said:

yeah sorry excuse me I expect employees to treat all their employees with fuging dignity. too much to ask I guess. just remember to properly address the mistah and wear the right clothes so you meet his standards.

Nerd.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Lee's take on monuments and battlefield memorials...

 

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Rather than raising battlefield memorials, he favored erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether…. Lee feared that these reminders of the past would preserve fierce passions for the future. Such emotions threatened his vision for speedy reconciliation. As he saw it, bridging a divided country justified abridging history in places.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/robert-e-lee-confederate-monuments/

 

 

 

[rico6]

1 hour ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Lee's take on monuments and battlefield memorials...

 

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@LegioX @onmyown

[onmyown]

2 hours ago, rico6 said:

@LegioX @onmyown

no clue what you’re referring to

[AggieLean]

10 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

 

Some more food for thought on Robert E. Lee...

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“But but he’s an honorable guy!1”

You’ve got millions of AA’s that have to drive on highways dedicated to this man, go to courthouses and other federal buildings dedicated to this man. Just like with the flag, you still have folks who want to preserve that, and just can’t seem to understand how one can’t love all that like they do. Lack of empathy.

Anyways, I could give a damn what you do on private or personal property, but for federal or government property, those monuments need to be taken down.

[TheMaulClaw]

19 hours ago, jfra78 said:

He was talking about Robert Lee.

Oh...yeah fug that fug

[electro's horse]

as the last male descendent of john c calhoun, former VP, SC senator, and founder of clemson university, tear his fuging statues down

i give all protestors and law enforcement officials my blessing

[The Huddler]

On 6/12/2020 at 1:25 PM, 4Corners said:

Almost as triggered as the head nurse 

im getting trained as head nurse tonight

 

pretty soon you will have to refer to ME as head nurse. 

[4Corners]

34 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

im getting trained as head nurse tonight

 

pretty soon you will have to refer to ME as head nurse. 

 

34 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

im getting trained as head nurse tonight

 

pretty soon you will have to refer to ME as head nurse. 

I used to date a nurse when I first got out of college.  Lasted about 5 months. I called her the head nurse (not to her face of course) for different reasons. 

[Inimicus]

22 hours ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

 

Some more food for thought on Robert E. Lee...

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I totally get it.  That was my way of politely retreating because I was too many beers in to form a cogent response.  You did a far better job of that than I was capable of at the time.

 

 

There is no equivocation when it comes to "heroes" of the confederacy in my head

[The Huddler]

1 hour ago, 4Corners said:

 

I used to date a nurse when I first got out of college.  Lasted about 5 months. I called her the head nurse (not to her face of course) for different reasons. 

 

now i get it

[The Huddler]

yeah i aint gunna be the head nurse then

[4Corners]

2 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

yeah i aint gunna be the head nurse then

Haha