Richardson Statue Coming Down

[1of10Charnatives]

3 minutes ago, rodeo said:

you do, actually. you go around telling black people that they should live with these statues of slavers that were erected mostly in the 1960s to mock them.

reading comprehension fail. 

At the risk of repeating it YET AGAIN, what Legio X has stated very clearly is not that he supports leaving public statues in places people frequent day to day, but that he supports leaving BATTLEFIELDS specifically untouched. The distinction is meaningful because people must and do go by their public buildings every day, but no one is required to go to Gettysburg and visit the battlefield.

I happen to agree with him. Take down statues in public places people cannot avoid that glorify morally repugnant causes, but leave historic battlefields untouched so that those who want to study the lessons of history in the places they happened may go there OF THEIR OWN CHOOSING and contemplate the past.

 

[pantherclaw]

3 hours ago, Vagrant said:

that's true, but the financial disparity between the parties is such that people will decide the price of their silence and in so doing protect a person of wealth that has done terrible things that the public should know about if they are indirectly supporting this person with wealth accumulation. money should not be able to insulate you from consequences. 

Not saying money should be able to insulate one from consequences. 

Just saying, nobody is forced to sign. 

Seriously.  And if it's just the money that makes them sign, they can get more from a lawsuit. 

[4Corners]

8 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Not saying money should be able to insulate one from consequences. 

Just saying, nobody is forced to sign. 

Seriously.  And if it's just the money that makes them sign, they can get more from a lawsuit. 

Sounds like you are playing both sides of this. Sure, they don’t have to sign but going to court to sue is a risk and we have seen courts side with the wealthy and injustice time and time again. NDAs are garbage and should be illegal. 

[rodeo]

15 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

reading comprehension fail. 

At the risk of repeating it YET AGAIN, what Legio X has stated very clearly is not that he supports leaving public statues in places people frequent day to day, but that he supports leaving BATTLEFIELDS specifically untouched. The distinction is meaningful because people must and do go by their public buildings every day, but no one is required to go to Gettysburg and visit the battlefield.

I happen to agree with him. Take down statues in public places people cannot avoid that glorify morally repugnant causes, but leave historic battlefields untouched so that those who want to study the lessons of history in the places they happened may go there OF THEIR OWN CHOOSING and contemplate the past.

 

i already edited before you replied as i realized he was only advocating for slavery symbols in places of his own approval

[LegioX]

37 minutes ago, rodeo said:

you do, actually. you go around telling black people that they should live with these flags because you personally find it important

Where did I say that? I specifically stated on battlefields. Which is owned by state and federal governments. In a historical context flags and monuments on historical battlefield should stay. How are you living with these flags or monuments when you do not have to see them? If you don’t want to see things about the civil war you do not like then just don’t visit the fields. How is that correlated with monuments in downtown cities or infront of courthouses that people go by everyday? 

[Bronn]

1 hour ago, LegioX said:

Why does it matter what I feel? Why can’t we find common ground and understand there was a massive struggle by Americans on these fields and it would be in our best interest to leave them untouched. Do we seriously need to have everything that happened in the antebellum years and post years to be taken away? (I’m speaking entirely about battlefields) It’s not like your forced to look at these monuments on battlefields everyday you go to work or go out to eat. Just don’t visit them.

Just don't visit them.

 

So you don't want people who might be offended by monuments to those who fought to preserve slavery to visit the battlefields where they likely lost ancestors too.

Got it.

[Bronn]

4 minutes ago, LegioX said:

Where did I say that? I specifically stated on battlefields. Which is owned by state and federal governments. In a historical context flags and monuments on historical battlefield should stay. How are you living with these flags or monuments when you do not have to see them? If you don’t want to see things about the civil war you do not like then just don’t visit the fields. How is that correlated with monuments in downtown cities or infront of courthouses that people go by everyday? How 

Because you are telling people not to go visit the battlefields if they don't like what monuments are there.

You're trying to actively exclude people from doing something you apparently enjoy yourself, because you're clearly insensitive to their views.

[LegioX]

5 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Just don't visit them.

 

So you don't want people who might be offended by monuments to those who fought to preserve slavery to visit the battlefields where they likely lost ancestors too.

Got it.

If your going to a battlefield to see history and are offended by it, then that is a personal problem. Because you know what is there and who fought there. BIG DIFFERENCE from doing everyday things and having it forced on you by being erected somewhere in a city.

That’s like walking into the visitor center at Gettysburg with all the artifacts and you are offended by seeing confederate items there.

[45catfan]

11 minutes ago, bull123 said:

cant just pretend it didnt happen

those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it

if all the monuments offend so much, then move them to the battlefields

The problem with their argument is in a world of billions of people, statues, markers, memorials, flags are going to offend someone, somewhere.   So we tear down all them and write it out of history just because you don't agree with them?  They would say yes.   

Take the concentration camps is Germany.  Obviously places of horrific death and tragedies.  Why are they still standing?  According to these folks it's because people agree with their symbolism.  Could it be that it's a reminder of tragic time in our human history and left there as a lesson and reminder so we don't repeat it?

[TheRumGone]

10 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Because you are telling people not to go visit the battlefields if they don't like what monuments are there.

You're trying to actively exclude people from doing something you apparently enjoy yourself, because you're clearly insensitive to their views.

I’m in the boat that we need to keep the monuments at battlefields and I think you know where I stand on just about everything from tbox posting. I think it’s very important for Americans to know how this country was built, the genocide, the oppression on our black brothers and sisters’ ancestors. These things shouldn’t be glorified obviously but be a reminder of the evil inhumanity this country was founded on.
 

Gloves off on all of the important figures in our history. From Thomas Jefferson and on to the civil war historical figures. Our kids need to be told the truth, about everything. I was not growing up. No more whitewashing to brainwash a sense of patriotism on a country that was founded on pure evil and the subordination of an entire race of people.

 

[pantherclaw]

49 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Sounds like you are playing both sides of this. Sure, they don’t have to sign but going to court to sue is a risk and we have seen courts side with the wealthy and injustice time and time again. NDAs are garbage and should be illegal. 

First of all, it's called being unbiased. 

There are consequences for every choice. 

If there was integrity in anyone involved, there would be no signing of the contract, regardless of the risk in courts. It beats being silent about something ya shouldn't be. 

[Brooklyn 3.0]

So who wants to have a Gone With the Wind viewing party tonight?

[Bronn]

6 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

I’m in the boat that we need to keep the monuments at battlefields and I think you know where I stand on just about everything from tbox posting. I think it’s very important for Americans to know how this country was built, the genocide, the oppression on our black brothers and sisters’ ancestors. These things shouldn’t be glorified obviously but be a reminder of the evil inhumanity this country was founded on.
 

Gloves off on all of the important figures in our history. From Thomas Jefferson and on to the civil war historical figures. Our kids need to be told the truth, about everything. I was not growing up. No more whitewashing to brainwash a sense of patriotism on a country that was founded on pure evil and the subordination of an entire race of people.

 

So would you be in favor of keeping them on the battlefields under the condition we put clown paint on all their faces?

I could maybe agree to that.
 

[pantherclaw]

I'm offended by the stupidity of my fellow Americans. 

I'm sure nothing will be done about that, so they're just being insensitive?

Lmao