Richardson Statue Coming Down

[MechaZain]

JR’s legacy is the team who cares about a statue

[onmyown]

58 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

I’m not trying to have his memory erased, but folks need to know that he wasn’t a good man. Statues and monuments are for good men. I’m sorry, but your automatically disqualified from monument status when you were responsible for the separation of thousands to millions of families, rape, torture, and brutal beatings 

Tearing families apart, rape, torture and brutal beatings are a human history not just a slavery history. Sometimes I think people get caught up in their own city, state, county but don’t see the world for what it is. How far back are we going? Christianity was built on tearing families apart, rape, torture and beatings. So were many other things in the world today.
 

Do we destroy churches? Crosses? Statues of Jesus? I’m sure Native Americans don’t understand the site of monumental crosses revered everywhere they go in their own country. We could really go into all different directions here and justifications. This is just one example out of an entire world full of them.

I am by no means saying you don’t have a point and if it were up to me, I’d see it as nothing but progress as far as slavery/history is concerned to take the Lee statue down and I agree statues should not be for bad men.

My point is the implications of the idea. Not just to America, but the world. I’m sure there are examples everywhere we could find that need to be destroyed.

Again, not destructing or saying you don’t have a point. Perhaps one step at a time, maybe in 1,000 years when we’re all long gone it will be a world we’d want to see or perhaps the world is too fuged up, too far gone at this point.

[Inimicus]

4 minutes ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

I think there is one major difference.  Context and the reason why the monuments were put up.

For example.  Most monuments weren't put up within 40-60 years of the civil war.  Initially only markers for soldiers who had passed, etc were there.  During the 1900-1950s, the time period of the Jim Crow segregation, and civil rights push..that is when they suddenly decided that we needed to put up this huge influx of confederate monuments.  

Markers were put up for battles, to remember the fallen.  

Monuments were put up in a time of racial divide to enhance that racial divide.

This is lost on so many people.

They (the monuments) were put up as a means of intimidation.

Mitch Landrieu said it quite well

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So I am not judging anybody, I am not judging people. We all take our own journey on race. I just hope people listen like I did when my dear friend Wynton Marsalis helped me see the truth. He asked me to think about all the people who have left New Orleans because of our exclusionary attitudes. Another friend asked me to consider these four monuments from the perspective of an African American mother or father trying to explain to their fifth grade daughter who Robert E. Lee is and why he stands atop of our beautiful city.

Can you do it?

Can you look into that young girl’s eyes and convince her that Robert E. Lee is there to encourage her? Do you think she will feel inspired and hopeful by that story? Do these monuments help her see a future with limitless potential? Have you ever thought that if her potential is limited, yours and mine are too?

We all know the answer to these very simple questions.

When you look into this child’s eyes is the moment when the searing truth comes into focus for us. This is the moment when we know what is right and what we must do. We can’t walk away from this truth.

We hate the Saints for sure.  But this Mitch gets it and delivers with a royal flush

 

[GRWatcher]

Heard tonight on local news that Tepper had been told that there were murmurings about pulling the statue down so he decided to take it down himself. Ah yes, for public safety.

So ............... who do you think on the Charlotte City Council (who would be of a like mind) worked with Tepper so he would 'hear' these rumors third or fourth hand and remove the statue?

[Stumpy]

6 hours ago, LegioX said:

If they want to take down statues on public or government property that’s fine. But I fear this movement will start going after battlefields since if you give someone an inch they will always take a mile. Battlefields are hollow ground and should never be touched. People can learn a lot about our history by visiting these sites.

The fetishization of war by historians is tragic. World history is full of so many more human triumphs. But, since the first thing conquerors tend to do is to burn the entire knowledge of the civilisation they just came into contract with, theonly written documents that tend to survive are the histories of wars. Hence the phrase, " He who wins the war writes the story.

Rather than digging deep into oral traditions and the archeological and geological records, mainstream history focuses only on the conquests of some of the worst murderers and rapists of human history.

As far as the memorials to traitorous, reprehensible murderers and rapists, i don't care to see them in any setting. If you go to the battle fields in Germany, you won't find a statue of Nazi generals in elegant poses. Maybe a plaque accepting and educating people on the country's national shame.

Maybe we in the south should try to take a page from their book. Remember without commemorating; acknowledging the dishonor of our own history.

[rico6]

23 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

The fetishization of war by historians is tragic. World history is full of so many more human triumphs. But, since the first thing conquerors tend to do is to burn the entire knowledge of the civilisation they just came into contract with, theonly written documents that tend to survive are the histories of wars. Hence the phrase, " He who wins the war writes the story.

Rather than digging deep into oral traditions and the archeological and geological records, mainstream history focuses only on the conquests of some of the worst murderers and rapists of human history.

As far as the memorials to traitorous, reprehensible murderers and rapists, i don't care to see them in any setting. If you go to the battle fields in Germany, you won't find a statue of Nazi generals in elegant poses. Maybe a plaque accepting and educating people on the country's national shame.

Maybe we in the south should try to take a page from their book. Remember without commemorating; acknowledging the dishonor of our own history.

fug

[rico6]

2 hours ago, AggieLean said:

You really want that Robert E Lee monument to stay up, huh? lol

Dude just compared Robert E Lee’s statue to the Great fuging Wall of China lol. Let him whine.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

10 hours ago, w280sax said:

 

I found a place they can move it to

[Moonstone]

8 hours ago, 45catfan said:

 

Do you pay attention to the news?  History can't be changed, but people sure as heck are trying to erase it and forget it.  

 

 

I meant it more in a sense that we shouldn't, than we are unable to. As to the news, I don't follow it too closely, only what I read on the internet. I'm not from USA. Could you please tell me how are they trying to erase the history ? I got the feeling that the history is one of the things that keeps them going.

[Vagrant]

13 hours ago, ladypanther said:

It was my understanding that keeping the statue there was in the sales contract.  How did they get around that?

 

you dare him to litigate the matter and offer to serve punch at the open mic night of his former employees of color 

[Vagrant]

also, dumb people think statues are what makes people remember history because they don't/can't read. if your heritage is that your great great grandfather sucked at war but you still hate black people then you probably have a bigger problem than a statue can fix. like that dude that said war sites are "hollow" ground. they can't be hollow, they're literally full of dead racists. 

[LegioX]

1 hour ago, Vagrant said:

also, dumb people think statues are what makes people remember history because they don't/can't read. if your heritage is that your great great grandfather sucked at war but you still hate black people then you probably have a bigger problem than a statue can fix. like that dude that said war sites are "hollow" ground. they can't be hollow, they're literally full of dead racists. 

There is so much ignorance in this post it’s not even worth responding to it. 

[LegioX]

6 hours ago, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

I think there is one major difference.  Context and the reason why the monuments were put up.

For example.  Most monuments weren't put up within 40-60 years of the civil war.  Initially only markers for soldiers who had passed, etc were there.  During the 1900-1950s, the time period of the Jim Crow segregation, and civil rights push..that is when they suddenly decided that we needed to put up this huge influx of confederate monuments.  

Markers were put up for battles, to remember the fallen.  

Monuments were put up in a time of racial divide to enhance that racial divide.

As I have said in previous posts. If they want to take down statues on private or public property that’s fine. I understand people are upset about our past, but there is not a single nation that has a rainbows and unicorns history. I’m just concern they will move to battlefields. That is all.
 

[Vagrant]

19 minutes ago, LegioX said:

There is so much ignorance in this post it’s not even worth responding to it. 

you can do it. give it a shot. make some terrible argument