Richardson Statue Coming Down

[Inimicus]

4 minutes ago, Montsta said:

I remember a gas station by where I grew up got sold but a term of the sale was that it was called “Fig Tree Service” in perpetuity, instead of, say, Valero. Also when big developers buy a ranch to build a hundred homes it is incredibly common for them to demand that the development, or street names therein, be named after the family indefinitely.  

This could be like that I suppose. 

In those cases the land was sold so the developers had control over what streets were named.

Tepper didn't get the land, he couldn't contractually promise that the statue stayed in place because he had no right to.  Tepper bought the franchise and that came with contractual agreements of the lease of the land.

Tepper cant contractually commit to land use he doesn't own.

[Inimicus]

3 minutes ago, Happy Panther said:

Yeah there is always a mechanism. As @t96 it come in the from of payment. This is common in the contracts I have people sign to view my work. If you hand it off to another third party without permission you pay me $100k. It's what my lawyer says is common. Maybe it's way more complicated than that for a statue but we will see.

Could be.

I'm a technologist not a lawyer.  Im basing this all on what Ive picked up from working with our lawyers.

[mav1234]

4 hours ago, LegioX said:

I’m an avid history guru and study all periods. I’m disturbed to think this might roll over in state and national battlefields. I hope not. Those are the one places that should not be touched. 
 

this is concerning confederate flags and monuments on those battlefields 

I can understand the concern but in almost every case I've heard anyone talk about removing monuments & flags, the two places they ALWAYS make exceptions for are museums and battlefields.

edit: and I agree that places of historical significance must be treated differently.  I think it makes sense, too - they provide valuable context along with the symbology & monuments usually.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

JR probably doesn't even remember he has a statue five or six days out of the week.

That one day he does: "Whoo Lordy, I has me a stat-choo! HEY, BOY! Go polish up my work of aht! Spit shine! On the double now!"

[cookinwithgas]

While we are at it

[Basbear]

rip

 

 

This is eerie. My armored truck idea will never be proven now. 

[45catfan]

4 hours ago, LegioX said:

Well as the ol saying goes, those who forget history are deemed to repeat it. Humans throughout many civilizations have made that mistake time and time again. 

DC monuments now under fire:

Calls for DC Monuments and Statues to Come Down

Call Cairo and have the Egyptians take down the pyramids!

Ooops, let's not forget the Great Wall of China while we're at it...gotta go!

[AggieLean]

40 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

DC monuments now under fire:

Calls for DC Monuments and Statues to Come Down

Call Cairo and have the Egyptians take down the pyramids!

Ooops, let's not forget the Great Wall of China while we're at it...gotta go!

You really want that Robert E Lee monument to stay up, huh? lol

[AggieLean]

I’m not trying to have his memory erased, but folks need to know that he wasn’t a good man. Statues and monuments are for good men. I’m sorry, but your automatically disqualified from monument status when you were responsible for the separation of thousands to millions of families, rape, torture, and brutal beatings 

[TheMaulClaw]

8 hours ago, 4Corners said:

Also need to remove his name from UNCC’s football field. Probably the next domino to fall. 

They prob would need to give him his money back too.

[TheMaulClaw]

20 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

I’m not trying to have his memory erased, but folks need to know that he wasn’t a good man. Statues and monuments are for good men. I’m sorry, but your automatically disqualified from monument status when you were responsible for the separation of thousands to millions of families, rape, torture, and brutal beatings 

He was a strange guy that despite some of his awful behavior accidentally produced some good things.

[AggieLean]

5 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

He was a strange guy that despite some of his awful behavior accidentally produced some good things.

Who, Robert Lee?

From my point of view, and I’m quite sure of my ancestors, none of the good matters and the bad outweighs the good.  lol @ “some” of his awful behavior aka, “he was a product of his time”

Mighty interesting how some that looked like him actually did good, yet General Lee gets excuses.

”The Highway to Hell is lined with good intentions”

Take his monuments down. 

[Inimicus]

I started to post that it was time to act like JR never existed and forget him.

But as I typed out the Marge Schott comparisons I realized that just casting JR on the trash heap did a disservice to the men and women he marginalized.

Tear down his statue for sure.  However we cant forget that JR was a part of the machine and contributed to the problem.  To do so would be to let him off the hook.

I hope we never forget what a POS the teams founder was so that we can measure the progress new ownership makes.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

6 hours ago, LegioX said:

I’m an avid history guru and study all periods. I’m disturbed to think this might roll over in state and national battlefields. I hope not. Those are the one places that should not be touched. 

I think there is one major difference.  Context and the reason why the monuments were put up.

For example.  Most monuments weren't put up within 40-60 years of the civil war.  Initially only markers for soldiers who had passed, etc were there.  During the 1900-1950s, the time period of the Jim Crow segregation, and civil rights push..that is when they suddenly decided that we needed to put up this huge influx of confederate monuments.  

Markers were put up for battles, to remember the fallen.  

Monuments were put up in a time of racial divide to enhance that racial divide.