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Panthers S Tre Boston & teammates were restricted by owner Jerry Richardson in 2016 from protesting

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onmyown Grand Master

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1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

I get it. This is like the all lives matter stuff. yes, in an ideal world, we don't want to need to call out the bullshit old white men do as "old white dude gonna old white dude."  But, the (old) white dudes that are truly advocating recognize that there is a damn good reason people say things like "old white guy going to old white guy" and instead of getting defensive acknowledge it and move on, hoping their behavior demonstrates that it the perceived norm will not be tolerated any longer.  

sure, it is not universally true, but in our society, white dudes have a ton of power and have systematically  used it to repress many other groups.  so yes.  old white guys gonna old white guy.

and as to the point, it is actually that people are dying because of systematic racism and bias in this country that is propped up, in part, due to ... you guessed it, the old white guys that profit from it, among many others.  I would say the point is quite far from, "we want to be a society where people aren't stereotyping old rich white men as douchebags :("


It’s not like the ‘all lives matters’. Everyone knows that already. Saying BLM has nothing to do with that and that’s not what I was talking about. Sterotyping in general, they go hand in hand. That’s the point, not specifically sterotypes of old white men. Sure, people can have damn good reasons to perpetuate a lot of sterotypes, not just ones about old white men.

But there’s isn’t a good reason to advocate against one and be ok with another, nor is it fair to say that those that don’t fit the stereotype need to acknowledge why that stereotype exists, and accept it and move on. If people are allowed to be justified in stereotyping an old white dude and saying it’s ok to do that because other old white dudes profit off it, well how exactly does that help the cause?

You cannot simply say that if we just targeted all old white dudes the problem would be resolved.

Old white dudes are not the only ones profiting from it. Plenty of people have privileges from all backgrounds. But yes, for our country it has been mostly white males. But people can change. It’s the idea that needs to be killed and addressed, not a demographic. That’s all I was saying. I feel some people do not see it that way.

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5 hours ago, TalonNC said:

Go back 10yrs and R. Kelly is still the King of R&B And Bill Cosby is still America's Father.... things change...

Fair point. Guess it was just surprising it took so long and things are still covered up.

but you’re right, it is a good direction things are moving this way.

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1 hour ago, RASTAN66 said:

Apparently they are about to tear it down right now.

You go ahead and break the story :shades:

Already done.

39 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Yea....lol.    Did not believe it when he said it.

It just got a lot funnier :)

To add to the hilarity, Scott Fowler says that Richardson wasn't informed ahead of time.

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44 minutes ago, onmyown said:


It’s not like the ‘all lives matters’. Everyone knows that already. Saying BLM has nothing to do with that and that’s not what I was talking about. Sterotyping in general, they go hand in hand. That’s the point, not specifically sterotypes of old white men. Sure, people can have damn good reasons to perpetuate a lot of sterotypes, not just ones about old white men.

But there’s isn’t a good reason to advocate against one and be ok with another, nor is it fair to say that those that don’t fit the stereotype need to acknowledge why that stereotype exists, and accept it and move on. If people are allowed to be justified in stereotyping an old white dude and saying it’s ok to do that because other old white dudes profit off it, well how exactly does that help the cause?

You cannot simply say that if we just targeted all old white dudes the problem would be resolved.

Old white dudes are not the only ones profiting from it. Plenty of people have privileges from all backgrounds. But yes, for our country it has been mostly white males. But people can change. It’s the idea that needs to be killed and addressed, not a demographic. That’s all I was saying. I feel some people do not see it that way.

hey glad we've made progress and "everyone knows" about the all lives matter garbage. how about the "not all men" garbage?

sure, not all old white guys are racist assholes.  some are pretty good advocates for change.  and sure, it would be great to be in a world where stereotyping isn't a thing.  where even the tiny little jokes about the people with a preponderance of power in this country don't happen because we're all in the same boat.  but let's address the, you know, bigger issues of people literally being murdered in the street before we worry about stereotyping old white guys, shall we? 

I mean your actual first post in a thread about the former Panthers owner silencing his players was "well hey wait don't you guys start being mean to the old white guys, remember stereotyping is wrong" in response to an off the cuff joke.  it wasn't like the thread was all "man I wish we could get rid of them old white mens!"... edit: and it seems likely you didn't intend for it to come off as it did, but... yeah.

the problem - something you might not realize - is that this kind of attitude is too often used to shout down people raising real concerns.  by deflecting out of the real issues, the real problems, that occur, derailing conversations, etc. We all know it *isn't all old white men.*  nor is it that only one group of people matters, or one group of people are all the problem.  these are convenient short hands, not encompassing mantras to live by.

so yeah, great, stereotypes aren't great. I agree. but let's start with fighting police fuging murdering people in the street, and then we can move on to making this a world safe for jokes about old white people. 

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37 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

hey glad we've made progress and "everyone knows" about the all lives matter garbage. how about the "not all men" garbage?

sure, not all old white guys are racist assholes.  some are pretty good advocates for change.  and sure, it would be great to be in a world where stereotyping isn't a thing.  where even the tiny little jokes about the people with a preponderance of power in this country don't happen because we're all in the same boat.  but let's address the, you know, bigger issues of people literally being murdered in the street before we worry about stereotyping old white guys, shall we? 

I mean your actual first post in a thread about the former Panthers owner silencing his players was "well hey wait don't you guys start being mean to the old white guys, remember stereotyping is wrong" in response to an off the cuff joke.  it wasn't like the thread was all "man I wish we could get rid of them old white mens!"... edit: and it seems likely you didn't intend for it to come off as it did, but... yeah.

the problem - something you might not realize - is that this kind of attitude is too often used to shout down people raising real concerns.  by deflecting out of the real issues, the real problems, that occur, derailing conversations, etc. We all know it *isn't all old white men.*  nor is it that only one group of people matters, or one group of people are all the problem.  these are convenient short hands, not encompassing mantras to live by.

so yeah, great, stereotypes aren't great. I agree. but let's start with fighting police fuging murdering people in the street, and then we can move on to making this a world safe for jokes about old white people. 

A life mattering and a stereotype aren’t equivalent to me. I fully (to the limits of capabilities) understand what the issues are and that stereotyping old white people aren’t a priority for a number of very important humanitarian reasons that I think any intelligent person is clearly aware of,  but I can still advocate for one while refraining from the other (or point it out) and that fact doesn’t make me any less aware of what’s more important right now, despite what you may suggest. What you or others may falsely interpret that sentiment or intent to be is out of my control, but I will learn to be more sensitive/aware of that.

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1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

but let's address the, you know, bigger issues of people literally being murdered in the street before we worry about stereotyping old white guys, shall we? 

I'm sorry but this is not reasonable.  Obviously the issues right now with racism in the police force are big issues to be addressed, but that doesn't make "stereotyping old white guys" any more acceptable than stereotyping any other group of people.  You don't get to ignore racist jokes or perceptions just because there are other bigger issues....that isn't equality.  If you seek equality then you seek it all day, every day, in every thing.  If a person is not racist then they never make racist remarks...not mostly and then every now and then it is OK if there is a more important issue.

That is like saying "well it was just a little joke" or "we'll let that one slide"....is that how it works in every direction?  How do you think all the non-racist old white guys feel about little jokes?  How about their kids....young white guys like me and my kids?  So just curious...if it is just a little joke does that make someone a little racist or a full racist?  I'm not accusing you of being anything - but that is way too cavalier for any of us to be - especially right now.  People are getting blasted for that type of cavalier commenting - even losing their jobs.

I am all for change - I am tired of this culture where you are either a racist or afraid of other races - that goes for every race.  I don't want my kids to grow up like that.  We have to be together and not allow any level of stereotypes and jokes to go by.    

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35 minutes ago, Stingray3030 said:

I'm sorry but this is not reasonable.  Obviously the issues right now with racism in the police force are big issues to be addressed, but that doesn't make "stereotyping old white guys" any more acceptable than stereotyping any other group of people.  You don't get to ignore racist jokes or perceptions just because there are other bigger issues....that isn't equality.  If you seek equality then you seek it all day, every day, in every thing.  If a person is not racist then they never make racist remarks...not mostly and then every now and then it is OK if there is a more important issue.

That is like saying "well it was just a little joke" or "we'll let that one slide"....is that how it works in every direction?  How do you think all the non-racist old white guys feel about little jokes?  How about their kids....young white guys like me and my kids?  So just curious...if it is just a little joke does that make someone a little racist or a full racist?  I'm not accusing you of being anything - but that is way too cavalier for any of us to be - especially right now.  People are getting blasted for that type of cavalier commenting - even losing their jobs.

I am all for change - I am tired of this culture where you are either a racist or afraid of other races - that goes for every race.  I don't want my kids to grow up like that.  We have to be together and not allow any level of stereotypes and jokes to go by.    

I agree. Well thought out post. 
 

Thanks for sharing.

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