Eric Reid goes off on NFL

[Brooklyn 3.0]

28 minutes ago, Panther'sBigD said:

Only your mom calls me Big D. Don't make it weird. 

Biggest displeasure, I know. She says you still put the eggs on the bottom when you bag her groceries each week.

[Panther'sBigD]

4 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Biggest displeasure, I know. She says you still put the eggs on the bottom when you bag her groceries each week.

"Bagging her groceries" is an interesting euphemism. I like it. 

And those aren't eggs...

[arbnranger]

On 6/7/2020 at 7:19 PM, kungfoodude said:

 

He probably reminisces about the good old days when women were in the kitchen 

Woah KFD, some things from the old days were good . 

[kungfoodude]

10 minutes ago, arbnranger said:

Woah KFD, some things from the old days were good . 

Bro, we're better than them at that too.

 

INB4 shitstorm....

[arbnranger]

43 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Bro, we're better than them at that too.

 

INB4 shitstorm....

HaHa!!

[TheSpecialJuan]

Mike Florio goes off   https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/06/09/president-trump-retweets-attack-on-nfl-for-dividing-america/

On Tuesday morning, the President retweeted this message from the chair of the American Conservative Union: “I will never buy another NFL ticket until they go back to playing football and stop dividing America.”

So who’s dividing America? The NFL, or the man whose former Secretary of Defense said last week that (wait for it . . . keep waiting . . . wait a little longer) HE’S DIVIDING AMERICA.

Players in the National Football League, most of whom are African-American, are reacting to recent events, events that underscore the message Colin Kaepernick tried to send in 2016. A message for which he sacrificed his career. A conscientious, peaceful protest aimed at waking America up to police brutality against minorities doesn’t amount to “dividing America.” Those who twist peaceful protests protected by the Constitution into political theater (by, for example, showing up at an NFL game where protests are expected to happen and then storming out and wasting more than 300,000  taxpayer dollars in the process) are dividing America.

I realize that plenty of you continue to double, triple, quadruple, and umpteenuple down because it’s hard to admit, “I was wrong.” But the evidence has become an avalanche; you’ve been played for nearly half of a decade by unscrupulous, opportunistic politicians, their enablers, and foreign elements intent on sowing chaos and division in American. And you’re still being played. And they think you’re too dumb to figure it out.

Will people object to this sentiment? Absolutely. And in this moment I frankly do not care. The world has changed in the last 15 days. The time for confronting hard truths is here. And the hardest truth of all has been hiding in plain sight since he rode down a golden escalator nearly five years ago to the day.

[1of10Charnatives]

On 6/7/2020 at 9:13 PM, kungfoodude said:

The apathy is largely our fault, however. We continue to get shitbags because we allow shitbags to rise to power. It's easy to say the political parties serve us turds but both parties have primaries at all levels. We just stay out of it and let the party zealots get their way. Hell, in NC you can vote in either primary if you aren't registered as either of the two parties.

But we not only let the P'sOS in but we let them get re-elected over and over. And I say this as someone who had been so disgusted with some of the candidates that I avoided voting. But that isn't the answer. Getting more involved and not less involved is the answer. 

This government exists because we allow it. You don't like the current Senator? Vote them out. You don't like the next one? Vote them out. We may not have term limits yet but we sure as hell can make our own.

I agree but gerrymandering has done much to rob us of the power of our vote and is one of the reasons primaries have become arenas of extremism.

[TheRumGone]

On 6/7/2020 at 5:37 PM, raleigh-panther said:

my issue with Kapernick. He doesn’t vote and said he saw no value to it. That is a sad statement.   Hopefully people like Sharpton meant what he said  At the funeral  about getting the vote out and or putting forth candidates 

How can you disagree with Kaepernick saying he sees no value in voting when the same types of people both Republicans and Democrats have kept the same systems in place for oppression? We know trump is a racist pos but people are acting like voting him out with Joe Biden taking his place is gonna change things for them? The dude who wrote the crime bill. The dude who opposed busing. Who just recently said police should be trained to shoot at the legs???? Wtf. Joe Biden the dude who did the eulogy at white supremacists funerals? The “nothing will fundamentally change” candidate. The system is totally corrupt when there are no alternatives to vote for. For people that desperately need change because their lives and their children’s lives are at stake. This isn’t even bringing in obvious voter suppression, like we’ve seen in Wisconsin and Georgia, or gerrymandering. The voting system is corrupted. Kaepernick knows this.
 

Look what his protesting started. That’s what he meant. We can’t change this with a vote. We can change this through protesting and riots, demanding what we want because politicians won’t give it to us. It’s 2020 and now finally people are talking about radical changes to systemic racism. Like Minneapolis completely defunding the police and building it back up. How did that happen? Because people were so outraged from decades of oppression they blew up a goddamn police precinct and burned the city to the ground. They forced it because no other options have worked.

and I’m telling you right now, if this doesn’t change the system and another horrendous incident goes public like George Floyd’s murder, there will be a civil war. People have had enough.

[MHS831]

In my ethics courses, we examine ethics introspectively.  I ask students to estimate their levels of ethics on a scale of 1-10.  Most put an 8 or 9.  I spend the semester presenting them with situations that involve ethics, and they usually target the symptoms and not the central problem.  At any rate, using a lot of hypothetical situations, case studies, Socratic questioning, etc. for 15 weeks, at the end of the course, I ask them to estimate their ethics on a scale of 1-10.  During that assessment, I have never had a score higher than a 5.  What happened?  They realized that their concept of ethics was self-serving.  That the only way of knowing if you have any ethics is being put into a situation where your ethical strengths are challenged.  Most are pretty ethical when being ethical serves their purposes, but when being ethical comes at a price and is only to benefit others, are we as ethical as we think we are? 

Eric's heart is in the right place, and nobody will question his passion.  But these folks are interested in money, not social justice.  If social justice costs them money, social justice will be reserved for another day.  The problem then is not the league, Eric Reid, Colin, and in this case--not even police brutality.  The problem is the percentage of Americans that think the issue is about looting and rioting and kneeling (not on someone's neck--before a football game).  The problem is those who possess the wealth use it to establish "norms". The problem is those who weaponize the Bible by cherry picking verses and applying all they can to justify their hate and elitism.  Those who think the problem was a peaceful protest instead of why the protest happened.  Some of you were proud of Trump for gassing peaceful protestors so he could go pose in front of a church he did not know existed with a book he stole from a Hotel room bedside table when he was paying Stormy $130K to feed his narcissism while his wife was at home pregnant with his son.  You see, if you can accept that and not what Colin did, your values and morals are fugged up.  So instead of forcing your opinion, learn how to develop one.

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

I agree but gerrymandering has done much to rob us of the power of our vote and is one of the reasons primaries have become arenas of extremism.

Gerrymandering hasn't helped but 538 did a good article on how we kind of created part of that problem ourselves. Additionally, gerrymandering would be dramatically less effective if we didn't allow ourselves to be so polarized. That poo is not unintentional.

[raleigh-panther]

1 hour ago, TheRumGone said:

How can you disagree with Kaepernick saying he sees no value in voting when the same types of people both Republicans and Democrats have kept the same systems in place for oppression? We know trump is a racist pos but people are acting like voting him out with Joe Biden taking his place is gonna change things for them? The dude who wrote the crime bill. The dude who opposed busing. Who just recently said police should be trained to shoot at the legs???? Wtf. Joe Biden the dude who did the eulogy at white supremacists funerals? The “nothing will fundamentally change” candidate. The system is totally corrupt when there are no alternatives to vote for. For people that desperately need change because their lives and their children’s lives are at stake. This isn’t even bringing in obvious voter suppression, like we’ve seen in Wisconsin and Georgia, or gerrymandering. The voting system is corrupted. Kaepernick knows this.
 

Look what his protesting started. That’s what he meant. We can’t change this with a vote. We can change this through protesting and riots, demanding what we want because politicians won’t give it to us. It’s 2020 and now finally people are talking about radical changes to systemic racism. Like Minneapolis completely defunding the police and building it back up. How did that happen? Because people were so outraged from decades of oppression they blew up a goddamn police precinct and burned the city to the ground. They forced it because no other options have worked.

and I’m telling you right now, if this doesn’t change the system and another horrendous incident goes public like George Floyd’s murder, there will be a civil war. People have had enough.

just like peaceful protest that Dr King so well understood and boycotts, dr king also understood voting is the key to our society  without that follow up action, nothing that is done in a protest matters   It won’t last 

When you don’t vote, no right to complain sorry

it is sheer ignorance and guaranteed genocide 

change could have been brought had people bothered to understand civics and there importance,    they are not taught anymore 

in this state, the young and minorities did not go vote in 2012 or 2016, and what is the result?  Political gerrymandering to make the black vote less representative And more diffused thus less effective.  I’m sure you read about that in the news.  NC was not the only state doing this but they got caught.  This is what happens   Less representation for minorities and their special needs with healthcare and other items  

if there is one thing MLK understood and was very clear about,  it was the power of voting 

I get the frustration but that is our form  of government. People would die for that right in many other countries   People have fought and died in my family and probably yours, to preserve that right  it goes hand and hand with our freedom, bill of rights, constitution 

people like Stacey Abrahams are trying to educate people about the issue with not paying attention to local state federal and the judges and repercussions of indifference  

not voting for President has enabled the current president to appoint to white frat boys in their 50s to the Supreme Court for life 

Sharpton,  as  he gave the eulogy, said he was making voting And voter registration the priority   He needs to as do others 

I stand by what I said  I also have issues with a guy being paid millions by Nike, a company which employs virtually slave laborer in Indonesia promoting his likeness  I guess slavery is ok in some countries and I’m not pleased that our country supports those companies which do the same with tax breaks 

 

 

[TheRumGone]

15 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

just like peaceful protest that Dr King so well understood and boycotts, dr king also understood voting is the key to our society  without that follow up action, nothing that is done in a protest matters   It won’t last 

When you don’t vote, no right to complain sorry

it is sheer ignorance and guaranteed genocide 

change could have been brought had people bothered to understand civics and there importance,    they are not taught anymore 

in this state, the young and minorities did not go vote in 2012 or 2016, and what is the result?  Political gerrymandering to make the black vote less representative And more diffused thus less effective.  I’m sure you read about that in the news.  NC was not the only state doing this but they got caught.  This is what happens   Less representation for minorities and their special needs with healthcare and other items  

if there is one thing MLK understood and was very clear about,  it was the power of voting 

I get the frustration but that is our form  of government. People would die for that right in many other countries   People have fought and died in my family and probably yours, to preserve that right  it goes hand and hand with our freedom, bill of rights, constitution 

people like Stacey Abrahams are trying to educate people about the issue with not paying attention to local state federal and the judges and repercussions of indifference  

not voting for President has enabled the current president to appoint to white frat boys in their 50s to the Supreme Court for life 

Sharpton,  as  he gave the eulogy, said he was making voting And voter registration the priority   He needs to as do others 

I stand by what I said  I also have issues with a guy being paid millions by Nike, a company which employs virtually slave laborer in Indonesia promoting his likeness  I guess slavery is ok in some countries and I’m not pleased that our country supports those companies which do the same with tax breaks 

 

 

You’re operating under the assumption that you think the system in place is fair and we can just vote for change. It’s not. People have tried and that doesn’t exclude state and local. We have tried. Democrats are just as guilty of this as republicans. The biggest cities in America are ran by Democrats/liberals. It’s all lip service and no action. The mayor of LA just reduced the police budget by 150 million. They still have a budget of 3 billion. Absolute insanity. Reforms don’t work. Again we’ve tried this. These politicians are suppose to be on our side. They are not. 
 

I won’t even go into the Nike thing. CK is working within this capitalist system to make his voice heard the loudest way possible. This is a different discussion but I’m on the same page as you as far as not supporting companies like that. But people will always try to poo on him anyway they can to lessen him and his platform because they have an agenda. 

[raleigh-panther]

48 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

You’re operating under the assumption that you think the system in place is fair and we can just vote for change. It’s not. People have tried and that doesn’t exclude state and local. We have tried. Democrats are just as guilty of this as republicans. The biggest cities in America are ran by Democrats/liberals. It’s all lip service and no action. The mayor of LA just reduced the police budget by 150 million. They still have a budget of 3 billion. Absolute insanity. Reforms don’t work. Again we’ve tried this. These politicians are suppose to be on our side. They are not. 
 

I won’t even go into the Nike thing. CK is working within this capitalist system to make his voice heard the loudest way possible. This is a different discussion but I’m on the same page as you as far as not supporting companies like that. But people will always try to poo on him anyway they can to lessen him and his platform because they have an agenda. 

then fix it.

With all the protests a fix has to be a natural outcome. This is the time    Tactical to strategic  start with unified police reforms overseen by community leaders with an escalation process always published to the public within 30 days.  start with term limits in all government Offices, these limits  stop  lobbyists    Start with full background checks on those running for office and all affiliations made public from the lowest govt level to the President and certainly all judges  start with ms,I g sure people understand why voting matters 

otherwise, what is your solution?    Anarchy?  Civil war?   Continue to the next time?  

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895901-patrick-mahomes-tyrann-mathieu-chiefs-leading-voter-registration-drive

BTW If what you shared was directed to me, not cool  I’ve heard you respectfully and answered you the same. I should receive the same as  you have no idea who I am or what I am  or what my family makeup is....lot of assumptions made..all wrong.     If it wasn’t directed to me, and you were trying to make a point. Peace 

[TheRumGone]

1 minute ago, raleigh-panther said:

then fix it.

With all the protests a fix has to be a natural outcome. This is the time    Tactical to strategic  start with unified police reforms overseen by community leaders with an escalation process always publish to the public.   start with term limits in all government Offices, these limits  stop  lobbyists    Start with full background checks on those running for office and all affiliations made public from the lowest govt level to the President and certainly all judges 

otherwise, what is your solution?    Anarchy?  Civil war?   Continue to the next time?  

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895901-patrick-mahomes-tyrann-mathieu-chiefs-leading-voter-registration-drive

BTW If what you shared was directed to me, not cool  I’ve heard you respectfully and answered you the same. I should receive the same as  you have no idea who I am or what I am  or what my family makeup is....lot of assumptions made..all wrong.     If it wasn’t directed to me, and you were trying to make a point. Peace 

Making a point that we can’t just rely on the moderate Democratic Party doing the right thing and voting for them. Because they haven’t. Reforms haven’t worked.

Minneapolis is going to be a great test case as they’re defunding/dismantling the police and ending police contracts with schools. So police aren’t terrorizing impoverished communities with impunity. Reallocating money to community based programs that go to the root cause of crime and unequal access. Which helps get to the root cause of racial profiling/discrimination. Stopping police activities that social workers should be doing.  Stopping mass incarceration that specifically targets African Americans and leaves them as 2nd class citizens from petty nonviolent crimes that are a product of poverty. Vast majority of people don’t sell drugs or steal if they have equal access and opportunities.  People with drug problems need mental health help, not prison. These people in turn do not get to vote. These people do not get equal access to jobs, healthcare, etc. It has created a perpetual caste system in America. We should all be ashamed in being complicit in this.
 

Now this doesn’t mean removing the police all together. Racism can’t be abolished individually.  But it has no business in state or federal governments. We pay for their jobs. There is a place for a down scaled police force in towns/cities that are well-trained and educated.  Extensive Background checks, training, psych, empathy evals. These officers should be highly educated and have real world experience with impoverished communities. Either they’re from those communities or they have done work in those communities. It should be a prerequisite. Over time you will see crime drop dramatically when we shift focus to the root causes instead of continuing  oppression. I’m for highly compensating these types of officers. They should be the best of the best among us.  I am down for other things that my dumbass can’t comprehend right now as long as it makes sense and is the best at attacking this.

These riots and protests have woken SOME politicians the fug up. Not a vote.  The police have been infiltrated by racists and power hungry individuals that keep the system in place. And they are a fraternity. They don’t turn on each other. I’m the son of a cop. I know this. Dismantle them precinct by precinct.  Get the federal government involved. This won’t happen overnight but if there is not a gigantic shift in the way we operate in America there will continue to be protests and riots. Don’t care how much this costs when we throw billions at corporate bailouts that CEO’s pocket. It’s bullshit. We cannot let another generation of kids go through this system.