Some moves we can make to free up cap space

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Carl Spackler said:

Short will likely look better in a 4-3 again. 

It is funny that everyone is acting as if KK is Matt Kalil.  His injury in 2019 was really his only one of his career and  when he had Star and a decent supporting cast h was considered one of the best DTs in the game.  Sure the probowl is a popularity contest  but he was chosen in 2015 and 2018.  That wasn't so long ago and at 31 he is hardly over the hill and all washed up as some folks here suggest.

[LinvilleGorge]

Short and Paradis are both on the wrong side of 30 and appear to be on the decline. Kicking the can down the road on those guys is the last thing we need to be even considering.

[jfra78]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Short and Paradis are both on the wrong side of 30 and appear to be on the decline. Kicking the can down the road on those guys is the last thing we need to be even considering.

We have no idea how either of these two will play this year.  

[45catfan]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Short and Paradis are both on the wrong side of 30 and appear to be on the decline. Kicking the can down the road on those guys is the last thing we need to be even considering.

I think people take that number way too seriously.  I'm not even talking about Short or Paradis here.  The only position were production seems to drop off dramatically and almost universally when players cross the dreaded 30 age barrier is RBs.  

Granted you are not going to give these extensions 4 or 5 years, but it's not like extending a 31-year old for three years is a bad business decision...especially if they are still producing at a high level.

[mrcompletely11]

13 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

We have no idea how either of these two will play this year.  

I have a pretty good idea based on history.

[thefuzz]

10 hours ago, panthers55 said:

I am not sure that wins or losses will tell the whole tale of how good we will play given our schedule and playing in the toughest division in football. But I think we will be better than what we saw in 2019 and won't be everyone's get better game like last year.  It would be hard to quantify our wins and losses without at least seeing them play in preseason if we have one. 

You are very confusing.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, jfra78 said:

We have no idea how either of these two will play this year.  

Do you think we can win the division?

Do you think that we can make a push at a wild card?

If the answer to either of those is no, then you cut KK and Paradis and eat the dead cap this season so we have more for next season, and 2022.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

I think people take that number way too seriously.  I'm not even talking about Short or Paradis here.  The only position were production seems to drop off dramatically and almost universally when players cross the dreaded 30 age barrier is RBs.  

Granted you are not going to give these extensions 4 or 5 years, but it's not like extending a 31-year old for three years is a bad business decision...especially if they are still producing at a high level.

How frequently do you see guys who have been declining turn it around vs continuing to decline?

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

I think people take that number way too seriously.  I'm not even talking about Short or Paradis here.  The only position were production seems to drop off dramatically and almost universally when players cross the dreaded 30 age barrier is RBs.  

Granted you are not going to give these extensions 4 or 5 years, but it's not like extending a 31-year old for three years is a bad business decision...especially if they are still producing at a high level.

You are right. The notion that KK is declining may or may not be true. Since he didn't play much  in 2019 and in 2018 the team collapsed and he still made the pro-bowl it is pretty ridiculous to write him off yet. If he doesn't play well this year, I might change my mind but it is funny folks were willing to take a chance on Newton for example given all his issues yet throw KK under the bus when he hasn't had near the medical concerns.

And yes I know the probowl is a popularity contest but still it suggests he isn't exactly on his last leg and can't come back.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 hours ago, 45catfan said:

I think people take that number way too seriously.  I'm not even talking about Short or Paradis here.  The only position were production seems to drop off dramatically and almost universally when players cross the dreaded 30 age barrier is RBs.  

Granted you are not going to give these extensions 4 or 5 years, but it's not like extending a 31-year old for three years is a bad business decision...especially if they are still producing at a high level.

Have you watched them play recently? They're definitely not still producing at a high level.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nfl-is-no-league-for-old-men/

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Have you watched them play recently? They're definitely not still producing at a high level.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nfl-is-no-league-for-old-men/

 

4 hours ago, 45catfan said:

I think people take that number way too seriously.  I'm not even talking about Short or Paradis here.  The only position were production seems to drop off dramatically and almost universally when players cross the dreaded 30 age barrier is RBs.  

Granted you are not going to give these extensions 4 or 5 years, but it's not like extending a 31-year old for three years is a bad business decision...especially if they are still producing at a high level.

Again, I was talking about the general notion that once a player hits 30, they are washed up, even if their performance says otherwise.   Remember when we had a chance to sign Andrew Whitworth and Huddlers though it was a dumb idea because he was like 35 looking for a multi-year deal...regardless of the fact his performance level hadn't diminished much at all?  Quite possibly we could have a healthy Cam still playing playing for us.

[LinvilleGorge]

13 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

 

Again, I was talking about the general notion that once a player hits 30, they are washed up, even if their performance says otherwise.   Remember when we had a chance to sign Andrew Whitworth and Huddlers though it was a dumb idea because he was like 35 looking for a multi-year deal...regardless of the fact his performance level hadn't diminished much at all?  Quite possibly we could have a healthy Cam still playing playing for us.

I agree with that, I simply mentioned the age because it's very relevant when a player seems clearly on the downside of his career. If a guy is still playing at a high level, that's a different thing entirely. I would never want to sign a guy on the wrong side of 30 to a long-term back loaded deal with lots of guaranteed money as that would be on the wrong side of the risk/reward equation IMO, but there's no need to look to jettison a player simply because he's 30+.

I would've had a very different opinion on what I thought the team should do in regards with Cam and his contract if he wasn't on the last year of a deal set to pay him what is now a middle of the road starting QB cap hit.