Onside kick replacement possibility

[SmokinwithWilly]

https://www.nfl.com/news/fourth-and-15-alternative-draws-attention-of-patrick-mahomes

An interesting idea for an alternative to the onside kick. 4th and 15 play. Only usable twice per game. Frankly a lot safer IMO than an onside kick.

Thoughts?

[ladypanther]

Prefer the onside kick stay as is.

[4Corners]

This sounds like a rule Chuck would invent 

[MrBubba]

[OneBadCat]

I feel like even 4th and 15th would still be much easier than onside kick. You’d have so many guys looking for the penalty to convert. Just looks like another way for the refs to cheat us out of the game honestly.

Now 4th and 20, no spot foul for PI but ability to replay the down I could go for. No automatic 1st for roughing the passer either.

[Shocker]

Hell no

[LinvilleGorge]

The math shouldn't be that hard to figure out. Look at averages of 3rd and 4th down conversions by distance vs. the average recovery of inside kicks before the rule changes the round it off to a number that makes since (i.e. if it works out to 19 yards, make it a 4th and 20) There ya go.

[nickzz]

"In fact, NFL teams converted a first down on 21 of 251 plays of third-and-18 or longer this season -- about 8% of the time.

 

On third-and-18 yards or more this season (2019/20), the Chiefs quarterback has completed 10 of 11 passes for almost 21 yards per attempt. He has five first downs, three touchdowns and a perfect passer rating of 158.3"

[PantherBoy95]

8 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

I feel like even 4th and 15th would still be much easier than onside kick. You’d have so many guys looking for the penalty to convert. Just looks like another way for the refs to cheat us out of the game honestly.

Now 4th and 20, no spot foul for PI but ability to replay the down I could go for. No automatic 1st for roughing the passer either.

I hadn't even considered the idea of penalties coming into play.

[Wes21]

53 minutes ago, PantherBoy95 said:

I hadn't even considered the idea of penalties coming into play.

Me neither.  Another rule that will disproportionately help the Packers.

[PleaseCutStewart]

The NFL just needs to go back to allowing running starts from the kicking team on onside kicks. That was a huge killer to onside kick recoveries because teams couldn't get that running start while the kick was happening

[Khyber53]

10 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

I feel like even 4th and 15th would still be much easier than onside kick. You’d have so many guys looking for the penalty to convert. Just looks like another way for the refs to cheat us out of the game honestly.

Now 4th and 20, no spot foul for PI but ability to replay the down I could go for. No automatic 1st for roughing the passer either.

Yeah, on second thought, this tweek would make it better. Good call!

[45catfan]

Nope, this would suck.   Keep the onside kick and tweak it if need be.  

[grateflday]

11 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/fourth-and-15-alternative-draws-attention-of-patrick-mahomes

An interesting idea for an alternative to the onside kick. 4th and 15 play. Only usable twice per game. Frankly a lot safer IMO than an onside kick.

Thoughts?

No way.  It penalizes the team who’s spent all game building a lead by essentially giving the trailing team an extra possession.