Steve smith is the best panther player ever

[stirs]

Great Panthers in order(Top 5 Edition)

Smitty

Luke

TD

Peppers

Gross

[Glitchh]

On 5/21/2020 at 11:30 AM, Qu1million said:

Add cmac

Yes Yes Yes, it's not too early to add cmac to those four guys.

[jfra78]

On 5/21/2020 at 2:09 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

He was definitely a HOF caliber talent and player, but it's definitely borderline on whether or not he'll get in. Playing in a conservative run heavy offense with a borderline top 10 QB didn't do him any favors (that's not a shot at Jake in any way, I love the guy but that's just reality). Time is not on his side as the NFL evolves more and more pass heavy.

He will get in, NFL Network pimps him everytime they speak to him and he will be fresh on the minds of the voters.  He will be first ballot and deserves to be.

[Chucky 101]

Hey bro I love the post just next time give me a citation for my quotes lol

Anyway thanks for repping on here!

 

 

[Chucky 101]

On 5/21/2020 at 2:00 PM, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

you guys are dumb as hell LMAO. anquan boldin has similar stats as smith + a super bowl ring and no one is saying he's going to the hall of fame. face facts the wr position is a logjam and smith is gonna get overlooked by other receivers of his era. namely fitzgerald megatron julio jones etc as well as new studs constantly flooding the league. no one cares that he told aquib talib to ice up son 8 years ago or whatever.

meanwhile peppers is in top 5 all time sacks plus kuechly was the face of his position for a decade. both of them are on all decades list (peppers is on there for both the 2000s and 2010s)

steve smith is the definition of "hall of very good". peppers is the panthers goat. i understand that smith was loud as fug and peppers was not much of a leader, but peppers was a much better DE than smith was as a WR.

Wow, to think I used to believe you were a grizzled Panthers veteran on here.

You obviously didn't watch or were too young to have seen Steve Smith in his prime pre-2010. If you went through any of the Panthers franchise during the 2000s Steve Smith would have been would still be your hero. Clearly by you bringing up sound bytes from 2013 shows that your clearly not adept on this topic. 

Anquan was never a top WR in the league. like Smith was, and I can send you several links from 2005 and beyond of analysts saying Smith was the best. He also missed 2.5 seasons and retired 7th in yards. He would clearly have been 2nd in yards all time before Fitz if he had those seasons back (since you care so much about aggregate stats).

[heel31ok]

On 5/20/2020 at 9:25 PM, Mister said:

 

 

Only 7 people in the entire history of the NFL have more all-purpose yards than Smitty. SEVEN. Only 7 people have more career receiving yards. ONLY SEVEN.

Everyone who has ever won the triple crown has done so with a Hall of Fame QB. He did it with Delhomme on a team that didn't pass.

Everyone dismisses longevity. The best ability is availability and all that. You can project out and imagine a Hall of Fame career for Kuech .... or you could just look at the real existing true HoF career of Steve Smith. his 05 and 08 season were ranked as the best 2 seasons in modern history for a WR based on Yards per pass attempt which is essentially WR version of QBR . I honestly believe Steve Smith is far and away the best Panther of all time. I don't have peppers there because although he is one of the best ever and accumulated great stats, I never saw him take over games the way Smith did. Peppers usually felt like the guy who put the nail in the coffin, but Smith was single handedly our entire offense for years. Peppers often had other great players around him.

yes...

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Only reason you can't say Luke is because of longevity.

TD or no touchdown, Smitty would ball every single game. You can't say the same for Pep, who would vanish certain games.

It goes to Smitty in a very tight contest.

1. Smitty

2. Luke

3. Peppers

4. The Field

 

[top dawg]

On 5/20/2020 at 10:33 PM, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

It's very simple. Julius Peppers and Luke Kuechly are first ballot HOFers (Peppers is a lock, Luke mayyy wait a year or two). However, Steve Smith is never getting in the HOF.

I wondered why you got so much poo, and was even beginning to agree with you...until that last sentence. 

Pep is the best Panther ever, and will rightly get into the Hall of fame first. I think Smitty gets in after Pep, and then Luke. This is how it's going to go.

[Borat]

It really depends on how important you view being the best at your position, from a league-wise standpoint. Smith, in my eyes at least, was about on par with Wayne and Andre Johnson and a notch below Calvin and Fitz, whereas Kuechly, once Willis started getting hurt, only had Wagner as a peer for ~7 years.

That said, I’d still go with Smith. 

 

[Chucky 101]

On 6/3/2020 at 4:27 PM, Borat said:

It really depends on how important you view being the best at your position, from a league-wise standpoint. Smith, in my eyes at least, was about on par with Wayne and Andre Johnson and a notch below Calvin and Fitz, whereas Kuechly, once Willis started getting hurt, only had Wagner as a peer for ~7 years.

That said, I’d still go with Smith. 

 

Statistically his total stats are similar to wayne and andre but ironically from the eye test perspective I think he was better than fitz. Faster, better route runner, tougher, same level of catching in his prime (maybe arguable) The funny part is that fitz never had a season of 1500 or more yards and only has one all pro

 

Besides 2008 (mainly due to his postseason run) fitz was maybe the best WR in league once

[philit99]

I tend to agree. Go ask Fred Smoot, he is still bitter.

 

[run-run-pass-punt]

Not to knock the point, but Ted Ginn is only about 3.5K yards behind Smitty. Numbers can do all sorts of things to perception, depending upon the angle.

I think there's a strong case to make for Smitty as the best Panther ever, of course, but Cam, Luke, TD and Pep certainly have their own arguments. And CMC soon, probably. And Moose and Ryan Kalil aren't too far off.

[Stingray3030]

On 5/21/2020 at 8:02 AM, Bronn said:

Steve Smith is the greatest WR of all time.

Put him with Peyton Manning during that same era he was playing with Chris Weinke, Rodney Peete, Vinny Testaverde, Jimmy Pickles, and Jake Delhomme, and he's at least second or third all time in receiving yards if not first, in less years than Jerry Rice himself.

 

This is exactly why he is the Panthers' GOAT so far - Luke is a close second but his early retirement caps it IMO.  You can add Cam to that list of average passers to be honest.  Imagine if he had literally any of the top 10 passers at the time he played in a given year.  The man had an average to below average passer his entire career.

[OneBadCat]

On 6/3/2020 at 4:27 PM, Borat said:

It really depends on how important you view being the best at your position, from a league-wise standpoint. Smith, in my eyes at least, was about on par with Wayne and Andre Johnson and a notch below Calvin and Fitz, whereas Kuechly, once Willis started getting hurt, only had Wagner as a peer for ~7 years.

That said, I’d still go with Smith. 

 

Smith at his peak was better than Fitzgerald. Fitz just had the longevity. You can't tell me if you had to pick between them at their prime for 1 game you take Fitzgerald. He also played with Warner and Boldin.