Rhule's off-season approach...

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, MMA said:

He will manage to win 5-8 games

That was my initial concern, but I honestly don't think it's valid. We have a new staff that is nearly devoid of NFL experience. We're going to be installing a new staff, all new systems, and lots of new players with a very abbreviated off-season process. We lost the best player from every level of an already bad defense.

Patrick Mahomes probably couldn't get us to 8 wins. MVP form Cam probably couldn't get us to 8 wins.

[*FreeFua*]

54 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Flacco threw for 3800 yards and 22 TDs vs. 10 INTs that season. Teddy's best season was 3200 yards with 14 TDs vs. 9 INTs.

Flacco was a much better QB than Teddy and his ability to push the ball down the field really opened up the running game.

 

Flacco had 84 more passing attempts than Teddy in his SB year vs Teddy 2015.

Teddy had a higher yards per attempt. But keep doing you. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

 

Flacco had 84 more passing attempts than Teddy in his SB year vs Teddy 2015.

Teddy had a higher yards per attempt. But keep doing you. 

Totally different offenses. That Ravens offense was built around pushing the ball down the field to open up their running game. That Saints' offense is built around getting the ball out very quickly, something Teddy didn't do very well.

[onmyown]

26 minutes ago, MMA said:

Bc Teddy holds this franchise back in term of how quickly we can rebuild. He will manage to win 5-8 games and put us out of the Trevor or Fields sweepstakes. We could’ve stuck with Kyle Allen and used that 60m on fixing the OL or secondary. Instead we gave him that money and every Panthers fans are now hoping that our 4th, 5th and 7th rounders can be groom to be starters.

You could look at it like that. Because Teddy might get us the 10th pick instead of the top 5 he is holding the rebuilding back. But I don’t see it being that big of difference.

You don’t establish a new coach with tanking, it’s not a good message to the team or new coaches. There is still 100 million in dead money, the oline needs to be built not patched with a bunch of overpaid FAs. There is no way to just inject all that money rebuilding a team it isn’t madden, and with all that dead money it’s going to take time not just throwing money everywhere.

60 m over 3 years or more likely 45m over 2 years is not a big deal. Lawrence isn’t the only franchise QB coming out in the next 3 years. You’re overreacting, the future is uknown but I think it’s bright.

It’s just going to take time and patience, not dumping money everywhere and tanking. That’s not the only solution.

With all that said I wouldn’t of been mad if we tanked for Lawrence but there is still negatives that come with it culture or risks not paying off. But that’s not the route they’re tanking and that isn’t automatically bad thing.  So far the moves the franchise has been have been pretty good mostly. Keeping Hurney is really the only issue I have, but if they keep him on a leash (see the draft that screams Rhule) so be it.

Just accept there’s more than one way to do this and accept it will take time and patience to see if Rhule’s way works out. It will be another draft or two before it’s really worth analyzing/evaluating anything which would be said any route Rhule went.

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

20 minutes ago, MMA said:

Bc Teddy holds this franchise back in term of how quickly we can rebuild. He will manage to win 5-8 games and put us out of the Trevor or Fields sweepstakes. We could’ve stuck with Kyle Allen and used that 60m on fixing the OL or secondary. Instead we gave him that money and every Panthers fans are now hoping that our 4th, 5th and 7th rounders can be groom to be starters.

Yet another nonsense post. How can a newly signed player hold us back that hasn't even played for us yet?. 

[*FreeFua*]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Totally different offenses. That Ravens offense was built around pushing the ball down the field to open up their running game. That Saints' offense is built around getting the ball out very quickly, something Teddy didn't do very well.

Flacco won the SB in year 5 as a starter. 2015 was Teddy’s second year as a starter. The Vikings offense was built around the run with an historically bad OL. Not quite sure how anyone would expect a QB to put up eye catching numbers in that situation. 

Teddy ran the Saints offense very well and that’s not even up for debate. He was thrown in against the Rams, then saw Dallas and Seattle. You saw Teddy get more comfortable with each passing week. He played great against Tampa and in Chicago. After actually watching most of Teddy’s games in the NFL, I just don’t understand all the hate. He was poised to have his breakout season in year 3 until the injury. Got his feet wet last season and hopefully picks up where he left off this upcoming season 

[MasterAwesome]

37 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

*behind one of the best OLs in football in an offense designed to get the ball out very quickly... in which he had a slower average release time than Kyle Allen.

Isn’t the whole point/advantage of a top-tier OL to allow more time for the QB to let plays develop? What’s the point of investing so much in your OL if you’re asking your QB to get the ball out in 2 seconds on every play...even the Byron Bells and Amini Silatolus can hold pressure off for 2 seconds. It’s pretty understandable to expect Allen to have a faster release time considering the state of our offensive line...not sure why you always use Bridgewater’s release time as some kind of indictment against him.

[TheSpecialJuan]

very impressive 

[ecu88]

Sensei Rhules

[Icege]

6 hours ago, musicman said:

understanding so that when that pigskin hits his hands, he knows where to go with the football. That exact meeting Sean and Drew had each Saturday night is what I did with Joe Burrow every week. So Joe knew when we get to third-and-4-through-6, this is what we’re gonna call, and he’d like it. At New Orleans and LSU, I learned to create a system that fit the players we had.”

[LinvilleGorge]

35 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Isn’t the whole point/advantage of a top-tier OL to allow more time for the QB to let plays develop? What’s the point of investing so much in your OL if you’re asking your QB to get the ball out in 2 seconds on every play...even the Byron Bells and Amini Silatolus can hold pressure off for 2 seconds. It’s pretty understandable to expect Allen to have a faster release time considering the state of our offensive line...not sure why you always use Bridgewater’s release time as some kind of indictment against him.

It's almost as if we don't have a direct comparison of another QB playing in that same system with the same supporting cast. Brees is always at or near the top of the NFL in average time to throw. Teddy was below average in that same category in that same system with the same supporting cast.

 

[Icege]

12 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's almost as if we don't have a direct comparison of another QB playing in that same system with the same supporting cast. Brees is always at or near the top of the NFL in average time to throw. Teddy was below average in that same category in that same system with the same supporting cast.

 

I do not understand how you can excuse Flacco for the offense he was in while comparing him to Teddy's season in Minnesota (who was in an offense with Adrian Peterson and his best deep threat was the shell of Mike Wallace), only to then reference the Saints' offense from when Teddy was a back up to one of the best QBs of all time. That's incredibly inconsistent.

I would expect somebody consistently getting more snaps to be more comfortable and familiar with the offense and have a better release time. Though in regards to Allen, that usually meant releasing the ball in some way, shape, or form to the other team as well.

Speaking of comparison's: Brees averaged only a half a yard more on average for his passes, yet you killed Teddy for his avg yardage. Consistency, dammit! ←～(o ｀▽´ )oΨ

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Icege said:

I do not understand how you can excuse Flacco for the offense he was in while comparing him to Teddy's season in Minnesota (who was in an offense with Adrian Peterson and his best deep threat was the shell of Mike Wallace), only to then reference the Saints' offense from when Teddy was a back up to one of the best QBs of all time. That's incredibly inconsistent.

I would expect somebody consistently getting more snaps to be more comfortable and familiar with the offense and have a better release time. Though in regards to Allen, that usually meant releasing the ball in some way, shape, or form to the other team as well.

Define "excuse"? I don't think Flacco was ever very good. I just think he's better than Teddy has ever been.

[MMA]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That was my initial concern, but I honestly don't think it's valid. We have a new staff that is nearly devoid of NFL experience. We're going to be installing a new staff, all new systems, and lots of new players with a very abbreviated off-season process. We lost the best player from every level of an already bad defense.

Patrick Mahomes probably couldn't get us to 8 wins. MVP form Cam probably couldn't get us to 8 wins.

I think CMC alone gives us 3 wins. I would totally agree with you if we didn’t have CMC.