Will Panthers fans treat Rivera like Gettleman after leaving?

[Matt62881]

The redskins aren't a bad team on paper so we will see what Rivera really has. Jay Gruden was an abysmal coach far worse then Rivera. If they still suck next year it won't surprise me though but with good coaching they should be better. 

[JARROD]

Panthers don’t really have fans. They have drama transplants that are fans when convenient.

it’s probably worst than Jacksonville.

yeh I said it

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, Matt62881 said:

The redskins aren't a bad team on paper 

You appear to be reading a paper which fails to mention that Dan Snyder still owns them.

[Dex]

Ron is a good guy. I wish him the best.

[The Huddler]

I loved Gettleman and root hard for him to this day

[Zaximus]

4 hours ago, Sgt Schultz said:

I made this comment about John Fox and I think it applies to Rivera.  These are the guys who can get you to 8-8.  If you were 2-14 last year, Rivera can get you to 8-8 pretty quickly.  If you were 14-2 last year, he can get you to 8-8 pretty quickly.  There will be ups and downs, but overall, expect an average of 8-8 whether you are Cincinnati or Kansas City.  They basically can create stability out of chaos.

What they can not consistently do is take that stability to the next level on a consistent basis.

And the Redskins, as an organization, will fight him in stabilizing things every step of the way!

This is the perfect description basically.    I can't really blame Ron that the owner and GM kept him around year after year of mediocrity.    It's on them.  

[onmyown]

Feels indifferent. Rivera is not a creative, adaptive coach. He is what he is and isn’t what he isn’t. There is no need to hope he fails or succeeds. He’s old school, like Fox. He’ll never be awful and he’ll never be a legend. Most importantly he’ll never be consistent. He’ll have a good year then a bad one.  We already know how he’ll do.

[weyco2000]

8 hours ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Rivera is a self serving pos bad coach. I don’t need to hope he doesn’t find success. Without a Cam to ride the coattails of, he has no chance of it. 

[MMA]

I like Rivera. I don’t hate the man. His time was just up. 

[mrcompletely11]

12 hours ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

You appear to be reading a paper which fails to mention that Dan Snyder still owns them.

Riverboat will tinker enough with that defense to get them to 8-8 paving a way for us to land in the top 3

[MVPccaffrey]

A certain segment of fans will always be classless about it and wish him the worst because if he proves he can win elsewhere, then maybe their decade old claim that it was certain players carrying the Panthers to wins and not coaching will suddenly have no basis.

[Wes21]

14 hours ago, Matt62881 said:

The redskins aren't a bad team on paper so we will see what Rivera really has. Jay Gruden was an abysmal coach far worse then Rivera. If they still suck next year it won't surprise me though but with good coaching they should be better. 

When I look at the Redskins, I definitely see a bad team on paper.

[Sgt Schultz]

10 hours ago, MMA said:

I like Rivera. I don’t hate the man. His time was just up. 

According to him, he even said when he was interviewing for the job that his expectation was about ten years.  That is a pretty realistic outlook for a coach who has expectations that he will be successful.  There are a few exceptions, but the message and philosophy just gets stale at about that time.  Shulas, Nolls, and Hoodies are rare.  For guys that are successful, the pattern is more like Parcells.

Rivera is a stabilizer, as I said earlier.  That will be tested in DC, because Snyder is a de-stabilizer by his mere existence.  Ron's not a "master builder."  He's not even a "maintainer."  Washington needs a stabilizer (and the owner needs to keep his mouth shut).  I'd like to say he can do well there in that role, but that is probably out of his control.  Jacksonsville could use a stabilizer.  I'm not so sure the Jets and Giants don't both need that type of coach.

For all the fiascos Denver had, they did a smart thing in hiring Fox, who was another stabilizer.  They had just gotten out of a huge mistake with McDaniels who left chaos in his wake, and they needed somebody to stop the ship from taking on water and get it upright.  Fox couldn't seal the deal, but that was no surprise as winning the championship without a stacked or magical team was beyond his reach.  Then they brought in Kubiak to get them over the top, renting Manning at QB along the way.  For a franchise that is off the rails, that is a good model assuming you can't find another Hoodie (and Hoodie was not always Hoodie, either, but the pedigree was there).

Unfortunately for Rivera, I don't expect that level of patience or commitment to the plan from Snyder. 

It was fun watching the team resurrect itself during the first half of his time here, including him stepping out of his own tendencies to get the name "Riverboat" (rightly or not).  But for a guy of his mold that was about as good as it was going to get.  When expectations increased beyond an 8-8 norm with an occasional spike upwards, he was never going to meet them without a superstar GM assembling top-shelf talent for him.  That's not a knock on Rivera, it is just who he is and there are always teams in the league that need what he does.

 

[MMA]

48 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

According to him, he even said when he was interviewing for the job that his expectation was about ten years.  That is a pretty realistic outlook for a coach who has expectations that he will be successful.  There are a few exceptions, but the message and philosophy just gets stale at about that time.  Shulas, Nolls, and Hoodies are rare.  For guys that are successful, the pattern is more like Parcells.

Rivera is a stabilizer, as I said earlier.  That will be tested in DC, because Snyder is a de-stabilizer by his mere existence.  Ron's not a "master builder."  He's not even a "maintainer."  Washington needs a stabilizer (and the owner needs to keep his mouth shut).  I'd like to say he can do well there in that role, but that is probably out of his control.  Jacksonsville could use a stabilizer.  I'm not so sure the Jets and Giants don't both need that type of coach.

For all the fiascos Denver had, they did a smart thing in hiring Fox, who was another stabilizer.  They had just gotten out of a huge mistake with McDaniels who left chaos in his wake, and they needed somebody to stop the ship from taking on water and get it upright.  Fox couldn't seal the deal, but that was no surprise as winning the championship without a stacked or magical team was beyond his reach.  Then they brought in Kubiak to get them over the top, renting Manning at QB along the way.  For a franchise that is off the rails, that is a good model assuming you can't find another Hoodie (and Hoodie was not always Hoodie, either, but the pedigree was there).

Unfortunately for Rivera, I don't expect that level of patience or commitment to the plan from Snyder. 

It was fun watching the team resurrect itself during the first half of his time here, including him stepping out of his own tendencies to get the name "Riverboat" (rightly or not).  But for a guy of his mold that was about as good as it was going to get.  When expectations increased beyond an 8-8 norm with an occasional spike upwards, he was never going to meet them without a superstar GM assembling top-shelf talent for him.  That's not a knock on Rivera, it is just who he is and there are always teams in the league that need what he does.

 

Denver and Elway spent big money in bringing Manning, Ware, Ward and Talib after hitting the jackpot on Miller. The panthers were a cheap franchise brining cheap vets to patch up the secondary, OL and WR.