Could The 2021 QB Class Rival 1983 And What It Means For The Panthers?

[Wes21]

8 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah I’d consider 6-7 wins sucking... I would be happy with it given our circumstances, but sucking none the less.

The difference between a 6-7 win team vs a 8-9 win team is usually just a few good or bad bounces in games.  A majority of the league tends to hang out in that little band, while teams getting more or less wins than that start to separate themselves as particularly good or bad.

[AU-panther]

On 5/11/2020 at 10:47 AM, LinvilleGorge said:

I really wish we'd have the opportunity to see Trey Lance play with a better supporting cast against better competition. Like Jordan Love this year, he's going to be the small school wildcard QB next year.

It is so early to say but there is a very good chance he could be our draft pick next year.

I could see us winning enough games not to get a top 3 pick so Trevor and Fields probably won't be available unless we trade up, but If we are in that 4-8 range Lance could definitely be in play.

 

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

It is so early to say but there is a very good chance he could be our draft pick next year.

I could see us winning enough games not to get a top 3 pick so Trevor and Fields probably won't be available unless we trade up, but If we are in that 4-8 range Lance could definitely be in play.

 

Here's the thing, if the normal/recent bottom dwellers continue flubbing this season, most of them now have their franchise QB.  Even though Fields is expected to be QB2, he may fall outside of the top 5 picks.   Moving up inside the top 5 from outside of the top 10 requires a king's ransom, so unless a team is desperate for a QB, it's basically mortgaging future drafts...namely a future first rounder or first rounders.

[LinvilleGorge]

19 hours ago, 45catfan said:

That's the whole point, we don't have to completely suck to get a good QB.  We could win 6-7 games and still get QB2 or QB3 in a loaded class.

6-7 wins didn't get a top 2-3 QB in this year's draft. QB #3 went to a five win team. QBs don't really get pushed down the board due to a loaded class like a lot of other positions can. Most of the teams at the top of the draft are at the top of the draft in large part due to lacking a QB.

[45catfan]

51 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

6-7 wins didn't get a top 2-3 QB in this year's draft. QB #3 went to a five win team. QBs don't really get pushed down the board due to a loaded class like a lot of other positions can. Most of the teams at the top of the draft are at the top of the draft in large part due to lacking a QB.

Normally I would agree, but lets look at the likely top 10 candidates for a franchise QB: Cincy got theirs, Dolphins got theirs, Cleveland ditto, Chargers the same and ditto for the Cardinals as well.  There are 3 wildcards: Detroit, Skins and Giants.  Are the Lions giving up on Stafford and will the Lions be worse than us anyway?  Are the Skins and Giants already giving up on Haskins and Jones respectively?  Who does that leave?  The Jags and us.

You could argue that the Raiders, Broncos and Bears will be worse than us, but not likely.  There are other teams like the Bucs, Patriots and Colts that need franchise QBs, but all 3 of will be vying for their respective division titles...no worse than second and potential wildcard teams.  For their likely finishing spot, it would be too rich to jump up for a QB in the top 5 selections.

Again, I am just fine with us being competitive this season and not sweating missing out on a franchise QB next draft.  Apparently I'm in the minority on this though.

[AU-panther]

9 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Here's the thing, if the normal/recent bottom dwellers continue flubbing this season, most of them now have their franchise QB.  Even though Fields is expected to be QB2, he may fall outside of the top 5 picks.   Moving up inside the top 5 from outside of the top 10 requires a king's ransom, so unless a team is desperate for a QB, it's basically mortgaging future drafts...namely a future first rounder or first rounders.

Doesn't matter if the top teams need a QB or not.  Prospects like Trevor don't fall.  I don't care what teams are picking in the top 5.  QB1 will most likely go 1st and QB2 will most likely go top 3 and I fully expect QB3 to go top 7.

The only time QBs fall, isn't because teams don't need them, its when there aren't any good prospects, and even then they tend to get overdrafted.

 

[ForJimmy]

I could see the Pats or Colts trading up to get their guy...  I’m starting to get on the Lance Bandwagon. Trey with CMC and DJ Moore sounds like a nice triple threat.

[45catfan]

11 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Doesn't matter if the top teams need a QB or not.  Prospects like Trevor don't fall.  I don't care what teams are picking in the top 5.  QB1 will most likely go 1st and QB2 will most likely go top 3 and I fully expect QB3 to go top 7.

The only time QBs fall, isn't because teams don't need them, its when there aren't any good prospects, and even then they tend to get overdrafted.

 

Who said anything about Trevor falling?  Unless a team like Cincy is worst in the League again, Trevor should go #1.  However teams just don't double down on franchise QBs for giggles, so in the case like this Trevor could go a spot or two lower depending on what teams are there, but that is a matter of circumstance and the Jags should be a top 3 top selection and that will be his home.

As for QB2 and QB3, yeah, they could go a bit lower.  Again, you don't double down on franchise QBs, just because they are available.  If teams have selected their first round QB in the past 3 years and are still on their rookie contract, it's unlikely a team will double down UNLESS that QB has a horrible year in 2020.  For instance if Jones and/or Haskins look like hot garbage this season, the Skins and/or Giants could think about going QB again.  However, if the Chargers and Dolphins are the 30th/31st teams this year, they are not going to take Fields and Lance even if those two are ranked the #2 and #3 best players overall on a most BBs.  They try to get a team who needs a franchise QB to move up.

[Wes21]

1 hour ago, 45catfan said:

Who said anything about Trevor falling?  Unless a team like Cincy is worst in the League again, Trevor should go #1.  However teams just don't double down on franchise QBs for giggles, so in the case like this Trevor could go a spot or two lower depending on what teams are there, but that is a matter of circumstance and the Jags should be a top 3 top selection and that will be his home.

As for QB2 and QB3, yeah, they could go a bit lower.  Again, you don't double down on franchise QBs, just because they are available.  If teams have selected their first round QB in the past 3 years and are still on their rookie contract, it's unlikely a team will double down UNLESS that QB has a horrible year in 2020.  For instance if Jones and/or Haskins look like hot garbage this season, the Skins and/or Giants could think about going QB again.  However, if the Chargers and Dolphins are the 30th/31st teams this year, they are not going to take Fields and Lance even if those two are ranked the #2 and #3 best players overall on a most BBs.  They try to get a team who needs a franchise QB to move up.

The top QBs don't tend to get pushed down the draft, as was said earlier.  They tend to go where they go, and its just a matter of who will be the ones making the pick. 

[bababoey]

3 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Who said anything about Trevor falling?  Unless a team like Cincy is worst in the League again, Trevor should go #1.  However teams just don't double down on franchise QBs for giggles, so in the case like this Trevor could go a spot or two lower depending on what teams are there, but that is a matter of circumstance and the Jags should be a top 3 top selection and that will be his home.

As for QB2 and QB3, yeah, they could go a bit lower.  Again, you don't double down on franchise QBs, just because they are available.  If teams have selected their first round QB in the past 3 years and are still on their rookie contract, it's unlikely a team will double down UNLESS that QB has a horrible year in 2020.  For instance if Jones and/or Haskins look like hot garbage this season, the Skins and/or Giants could think about going QB again.  However, if the Chargers and Dolphins are the 30th/31st teams this year, they are not going to take Fields and Lance even if those two are ranked the #2 and #3 best players overall on a most BBs.  They try to get a team who needs a franchise QB to move up.

Arizona took 2 top 10 QB' s 2 years in a row.  It happens, not most the time but it does happen.

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, bababoey said:

Arizona took 2 top 10 QB' s 2 years in a row.  It happens, not most the time but it does happen.

If it does happen with one of the young QBs, it will be Daniel Jones or Haskins in trouble.  Trubisky is probably done Chicago, but the Bears should be a decent enough team to be well outside of the top 10 and therefore would have to mortgage future drafts to move into the top 5.  Plus they have Nick Foles now.

Kingsbury had a man-crush on Klyer Murray for years going back through college.  That match was bound to happen.  I agree drafting top 5 QBs in back-to-back years isn't completely unprecedented, but extremely rare.

[Wes21]

1 hour ago, bababoey said:

Arizona took 2 top 10 QB' s 2 years in a row.  It happens, not most the time but it does happen.

That was an extreme outlier.  What's more likely to happen is what the Titans did.  They took Mariota #2 in 2015 and when they had the #1 pick in 2016, they traded it to a team wanting a QB.

[AU-panther]

5 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Who said anything about Trevor falling?  Unless a team like Cincy is worst in the League again, Trevor should go #1.  However teams just don't double down on franchise QBs for giggles, so in the case like this Trevor could go a spot or two lower depending on what teams are there, but that is a matter of circumstance and the Jags should be a top 3 top selection and that will be his home.

As for QB2 and QB3, yeah, they could go a bit lower.  Again, you don't double down on franchise QBs, just because they are available.  If teams have selected their first round QB in the past 3 years and are still on their rookie contract, it's unlikely a team will double down UNLESS that QB has a horrible year in 2020.  For instance if Jones and/or Haskins look like hot garbage this season, the Skins and/or Giants could think about going QB again.  However, if the Chargers and Dolphins are the 30th/31st teams this year, they are not going to take Fields and Lance even if those two are ranked the #2 and #3 best players overall on a most BBs.  They try to get a team who needs a franchise QB to move up.

And that is what I also said teams will trade up for them .

Here again, I expect QB1 to go first, Qb2 to go top 3 and QB3 to go top 7.

Thats my best guess a year out, not what I hope happens, but what I would consider the over/under if I was a betting man.

So instead of saying the same stuff over and over what’s your over/under for each of the first 3 QBs?   
 

 

[pantherclaw]

I just fail to see the point even getting one's hopes up. This team will never cave.  

Now the team may trade up. After all, Marty always is looking for a trade. LMAO