Does Rhule’s drafting indicate he has the same three year turnaround plan as he had in the past?

[RASTAN66]

Rhule (along with other members of The Firm) has already turned this team around. 
 

How long it takes to manifest in banner worthy accomplishments is TBD but make no mistake about it...

...the about-face took place over the last 2 months.

[stratopanther]

7 hours ago, Smithers said:

His Temple and Baylor squads didn’t beat top 25 teams because they didn’t have the talent, plain and simple.  How many players from those programs(esp in years one and two)  got drafted compared to top 25 programs?  
 

Compared to other NFL teams (even top tier teams), our offense has legit talent.  If our draft picks pan out this year and we can load up in FA and the draft next year, there’s no reason why we can’t be very competitive.  

Oklahoma State. Edited. Sorry quoted the wrong guy.

[MasterAwesome]

8 hours ago, Smithers said:

His Temple and Baylor squads didn’t beat top 25 teams because they didn’t have the talent, plain and simple.  How many players from those programs(esp in years one and two)  got drafted compared to top 25 programs?  
 

Compared to other NFL teams (even top tier teams), our offense has legit talent.  If our draft picks pan out this year and we can load up in FA and the draft next year, there’s no reason why we can’t be very competitive.  

It's like taking the 120-pound featherweight champion and placing him in the heavyweight division and being like "Meh...I didn't see him beating many of the top 200-pound heavyweights.  OVERRATED!".  Coaching will only get you so far when you're facing teams loaded with 4 and 5-star recruits.

[LinvilleGorge]

17 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

It's like taking the 120-pound featherweight champion and placing him in the heavyweight division and being like "Meh...I didn't see him beating many of the top 200-pound heavyweights.  OVERRATED!".  Coaching will only get you so far when you're facing teams loaded with 4 and 5-star recruits.

2-6 vs. top 25 at Temple (with those two wins being vs. Navy and ECU)

0-11 vs. top 25 at Baylor

2-17 vs. the top 25 in his career. No matter how you slice it, that ain't good. A lot of pretty sorry coaches at pretty sorry programs have probably managed as good or better.

[MMA]

Year 2: invest picks on a franchise QB 

[onmyown]

13 hours ago, Khyber53 said:

I think that rather than as planned, a lot of this draft was just how it fell. It does probably speak to a higher priority on defensive prospects, but who can blame him? Last season saw us field one of the most disappointing defenses in team history, especially if you look at the number of supposedly blue chip players we had.

 

Hurney mentioned an olineman and a TE he wanted. The rest I feel went according to plan.

but it’s going to be 3 years. 1 year for defense 2 years for offense (plus a year of completely ignore the oline) 

[MasterAwesome]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

2-6 vs. top 25 at Temple (with those two wins being vs. Navy and ECU)

0-11 vs. top 25 at Baylor

2-17 vs. the top 25 in his career. No matter how you slice it, that ain't good. A lot of pretty sorry coaches at pretty sorry programs have probably managed as good or better.

You said it yourself that the talent disparity is not as drastic in the NFL as it is in college...so there’s a lot more level of a playing field than there is when you have the same handful of colleges hoarding the top recruits. Now we’ll actually get to see how he does when he doesn’t have one hand tied behind his back.

Don’t you think it’s a little more compelling to look at how a coach transforms a football program rather than assess how he does against these aforementioned stacked football powerhouses? The latter involves tons of confounding variables that are nearly impossible to control for...while tracking him through three years of a singular football program where he took a 1-11 team to 7-6 and then 11-3 keeps your variables fairly controlled.

Think about it...what seems more applicable for what we expect of Rhule in the NFL? For him to completely transform/“rebuild” a bottom-dweller into a winner (i.e. his college resume)? Or asking him to compete against stacked teams with extreme talent disparities (i.e. his lack of success against ranked college teams)? I’d have a hard time naming any NFL rosters that are truly stacked from top to bottom...like I said, it’s mostly a level playing field to where most of the talent disparity is close enough to be overcome with good coaching.

No one is arguing that he hasn’t sucked against Top 25 programs...I just don’t think that’s as relevant. Just like if you told me your local high school’s JV team scrimmaged against the varsity team and came out to 2-17 for the year...my first instinct wouldn’t be “Damn...they got outcoached”. More like “yeah...that sounds about right”.

 

[RASTAN66]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

2-6 vs. top 25 at Temple (with those two wins being vs. Navy and ECU)

0-11 vs. top 25 at Baylor

2-17 vs. the top 25 in his career. No matter how you slice it, that ain't good. A lot of pretty sorry coaches at pretty sorry programs have probably managed as good or better.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

I think Rhule can possibly be a very good NFL coach. We are not going to be a good NFL team next year though.

[PanthersGTI]

12 hours ago, davos said:

I do wonder if they looked at this QB class and then next year's to determine what they wanted to build out first. 

Happy we went D because Brown, Gross-Matos and Chinn all look legit. 

You know I wonder how much teams actually look forward to next year's potential draft. It's easy to do when you don't have much riding on the line, but you can't predict anything about next year's draft really. What if Lawrence gets hurt? What if a team loses one more than you and takes your guy(s). You'd instantly regret not taking this draft on its own merit. But I'm just speculating, I'm sure they look at future drafts/prospect but I don't think it plays a major role in the current draft process. 

 

Agree with you on this DEF draft. These guys are going to be players. I got a good feeling about Pride too. I think he's got it, just going to have to keep expectations realistic for these guys rookie seasons especially with all the changes in camps and workouts. 

[OneBadCat]

2 hours ago, MMA said:

Year 2: invest picks on a franchise QB 

Draft a QB every round. 

[kungfoodude]

Well if we go off his college track record he will also be someone else's coach in four years.....

[Khyber53]

18 hours ago, t96 said:

And our best players on D from last year are gone...

Luke and Bradberry... the others we lost just weren't very good when it came to on the field.

[1of10Charnatives]

6 hours ago, RASTAN66 said:

 

That is nice to hear and very encouraging. Unfortunately ever since the college game went to actually having a playoff, no one determines champions anymore by sportswriter opinions, and it's possible that in a few years this quote from Sal Pal will look prescient. It's also possible that it will look foolish. Just sayin it's great to be optimistic but I wouldn't take any sportwriters word as gospel.