Donte Jackson

[stirs]

47 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Against the run. We had the second most sacks in the NFL.

But only generated w blitz packages.

The front four was useless on its own

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

He's not a bust...he was a 2nd rounder who has started games for us, and will probably play in the NFL for a long time barring major injury....

However, I'm not convinced that he is an outside starter, maybe he gets there...but to me it looks like he can play the position, but doesn't really know how yet...he has the skills, now he needs the smarts.

Same thing happened to Josh, but Norman never had that skill set.

It's definitely too early to call him a bust, especially since he has shown glimpses of promise. But, "starting" some games is a terrible measure of judging the quality of a player. God knows we have trotted out some atrocious starters over the years. Byron Bell started a LOT of games for us.

[mrcompletely11]

1 hour ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

The defense had top numbers until Kawaan Short got hurt. D.J. Moore was top 5 in receiving yards. The team wasn't great, but CMC wasn't the only bright spot.

He played one game last year

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, stirs said:

But only generated w blitz packages.

The front four was useless on its own

The stats don't bear that out. We were tied for 17th in blitz percentage last year, so pretty much league average. We blitzed 26.9% of the time on defense. We blitzed 26.9% of the time. The Ravens led the league at 54.9%.

[davos]

This team has a history of throwing CBs to the wolves quicker than in other spots.  See: Bene, Melvin White, Norman early on (before his initial benching)...I'm not uncomfortable with Pride but it's really about Jackson rebounding and working on his physicality.  He knows how to get the picks, hope the other part of his game starts to come together.

[LinvilleGorge]

25 minutes ago, davos said:

This team has a history of throwing CBs to the wolves quicker than in other spots.  See: Bene, Melvin White, Norman early on (before his initial benching)...I'm not uncomfortable with Pride but it's really about Jackson rebounding and working on his physicality.  He knows how to get the picks, hope the other part of his game starts to come together.

Bene after that injury too. You have a CB who has played well but is trying to come back from a pretty bad injury and you tell him to stick with Julio all game long... then up and cut the guy when that awful plan predictably backfires.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Bene after that injury too. You have a CB who has played well but is trying to come back from a pretty bad injury and you tell him to stick with Julio all game long... then up and cut the guy when that awful plan predictably backfires.

That whole series of events was terrible. Just awful coaching and a sign of what was to come. 

[thefuzz]

58 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's definitely too early to call him a bust, especially since he has shown glimpses of promise. But, "starting" some games is a terrible measure of judging the quality of a player. God knows we have trotted out some atrocious starters over the years. Byron Bell started a LOT of games for us.

Oh, I agree....maybe starting shouldn't be the right wording there.

Maybe he's shown that he can start in the league is the right call?

Either way, I don't think he's a bust at all, but does need to be coached, and be open to coaching...some of these guys just aren't.

[Daddy_Uncle]

2 hours ago, GOAT said:

Donte Jackson totaled seven interceptions over his first two seasons, tied for second-most among NFL cornerbacks in 2018-19. He had a sophomore slump while dealing with injuries, veteran teammates chewing him out non stop, all while the coaching staff ran the team into the ground.

A fresh start and actual competition will do him good.

Our whole defense looked like ass last season because our stupid scheme. Even Luke. Not sure why people want to single out Jackson

[Shocker]

This is what I have seen with Donte...has an amazing game once or twice a year and then sucks hard the rest.  

[onmyown]

3 hours ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Is going to be the deciding factor on how good this team is in 2020 in my opinion. D-line is loaded, LBs have decent core, D-back is very weak. Donte Jackson has shown flashes (although some regression his sophomore year). Barring a trade, he looks to be our #1 corner in 2020, if he shows up and pulls a 15 Norman, I think this defense can be 16th in the league good, if he turns into Daryl Worley, we are going to have a long year on defense. Normal years, I'd be ok with having the pass rush we have and going weak on defensive back, but I ain't gonna lie and say I'm not concerned considering how stacked our division is.

Most 12-4 teams would likely go 10-6, 9-7 in what we will be playing in next year.

LB is decent.

Dline is not loaded. We have Burns who looks promising in his second year. Next best is an unknown rookie in Brown. We have no idea how long or if he will be a factor. One guy with little experience is not loaded. Counting on rookies and giving them no learning curve time to the point of labeling our dline ‘stacked’ is a knee jerk hype-reaction and unreasonable. Thinking KK will be anything other than average at best is unrealistic for a lot of reasons.

Jackson has the ability to be great. But is an unknown. The coaching staff did not know how to use Norman or teach him. Only when forced by injury did the staff even try. Luckily it worked out. Hopefully this staff is not as traditional with Jackson and waste any time figuring him out.

Defense will undoubtably take more time. I wouldn’t expect much until our cap situation is not paying dead contracts and worthless players.

The offensive line needs years to stabilize especially because the FO is ignoring it, once again. But they’re building. More future investment has been made in the defense so I would give the defense one year to come to fruition and the offense will take two years.

I’d speculate that this team will be seriously competing in 2022 given a stud QB is found somewhere in between. I feel like this is realistic for a lot of reasons but the main ones are dead money finally being off the books, players gain experience, coaching staff has implemented their plan, and the stiff competition in the NFC south (mainly QBs) will be aged out.

 

[Ricky Spanish]

Full disclosure, I wasn't a fan of the Donte Jackson pick when it happened.

I am of the opinion that he is far too small and lacks the technical skills to succeed as an outside corner in the NFL. He gets burned on double moves far too often because he has always been able to rely on his speed to get him out of jams, and now in the NFL, the receivers are also fast and much much bigger than in college. He gets abused by anyone over 6'0 because they can just toss him around, and that's basically every single receiver in our division. 

Those who say he will actually get coaching this year: on all or nothing it was apparent that he did not take coaching well. That's why the elder statesman and coaching staff had numerous 1 on 1's with him to try and get through to him. He regressed second half of his rookie year and it continued into his sophomore year.

The interceptions are fools gold because he was getting picked on CONSTANTLY. He lost far more than he won the past few seasons. Rewatch some of the biggest plays against us the past two seasons and look at who was supposed to be covering the guy. If it wasn't Reid, it was Jackson.

Personally, I am not optimistic about him as a starter moving forward and would look for the team to move him to the slot full time and sign a vet to pair with one of our rookie CBs, who are actually decently sized and have a better opportunity to compete against the likes of Julio, Ridley, Sanders, Thomas, Goodwin, and Evans.

If he continues to be uncoachable, look for 2020 to be his last season as a panther. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Full disclosure, I wasn't a fan of the Donte Jackson pick when it happened.

I am of the opinion that he is far too small and lacks the technical skills to succeed as an outside corner in the NFL. He gets burned on double moves far too often because he has always been able to rely on his speed to get him out of jams, and now in the NFL, the receivers are also fast and much much bigger than in college. He gets abused by anyone over 6'0 because they can just toss him around, and that's basically every single receiver in our division. 

Those who say he will actually get coaching this year: on all or nothing it was apparent that he did not take coaching well. That's why the elder statesman and coaching staff had numerous 1 on 1's with him to try and get through to him. He regressed second half of his rookie year and it continued into his sophomore year.

The interceptions are fools gold because he was getting picked on CONSTANTLY. He lost far more than he won the past few seasons. Rewatch some of the biggest plays against us the past two seasons and look at who was supposed to be covering the guy. The majority of the time, it was Jackson.

Personally, I am not optimistic about him as a starter moving forward and would look for the team to move him to the slot full time and sign a vet to pair with one of our rookie CBs, who are actually decently sized and have a better opportunity to compete against the likes of Julio, Ridley, Sanders, Thomas, Goodwin, and Evans.

If he continues to be uncoachable, look for 2020 to be his last season as a panther. 

We'll see how it turns out. It definitely felt like we overdrafted him at the time. It seemed most had him slated as a mid-round pick, primarily due to very serious concerns about his lack of size/strength at the NFL level. His speed is elite (his 40 time was in the 97th percentile for NFL CBs). Every other measurable was well below par for an NFL CB. He was in the 33rd percentile for height. 4th percentile for weight (meaning 96% of NFL CBs are heavier). 5th percentile for wingspan. 2nd percentile for arm length (the dude has T-Rex arms). 4th percentile for bench press (that's really bad for a guy with T-Rex arms, bench pressing heavily favors guys with shorter arms).

[mrcompletely11]

17 minutes ago, onmyown said:

LB is decent.

Dline is not loaded. We have Burns who looks promising in his second year. Next best is an unknown rookie in Brown. We have no idea how long or if he will be a factor. One guy with little experience is not loaded. Counting on rookies and giving them no learning curve time to the point of labeling our dline ‘stacked’ is a knee jerk hype-reaction and unreasonable. Thinking KK will be anything other than average at best is unrealistic for a lot of reasons.

Jackson has the ability to be great. But is an unknown. The coaching staff did not know how to use Norman or teach him. Only when forced by injury did the staff even try. Luckily it worked out. Hopefully this staff is not as traditional with Jackson and waste any time figuring him out.

Defense will undoubtably take more time. I wouldn’t expect much until our cap situation is not paying dead contracts and worthless players.

The offensive line needs years to stabilize especially because the FO is ignoring it, once again. But they’re building. More future investment has been made in the defense so I would give the defense one year to come to fruition and the offense will take two years.

I’d speculate that this team will be seriously competing in 2022 given a stud QB is found somewhere in between. I feel like this is realistic for a lot of reasons but the main ones are dead money finally being off the books, players gain experience, coaching staff has implemented their plan, and the stiff competition in the NFC south (mainly QBs) will be aged out.

 

 I am still trying to figure out why zack thinks are defense was tops with Short when he only played 5 quarters or so.