Panthers #4 in the NFL at identifying 1st-round talent

[pantherclaw]

23 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

How hard is it to get a good player when you are constantly picking near the top of the draft though? I mean most of the guys we have drafted are guys regular ass Joes on here say we should draft. It doesn't take a rocket science to pick a great player in the top 15. Then again a lot of teams blow it somehow so idk 

Teams fug it up every year. 

[MasterAwesome]

5 hours ago, thefuzz said:

I don't care what he's done in NY, this is a Panthers forum if I'm not mistaken?

I also don't care how good or bad of a GM DG is now, he isn't with us any longer...that wasn't a post praising DG...it was a post slamming Marty Hurney for picking in the top ten 4 times during his time here...with one of them being the number 1 overall pick.

Gettleman’s performance in NY is about as relevant to the present day Panthers as Hurney’s performance in 2002 lol.

[Black&BlueBubba]

10 hours ago, rayzor said:

#1 at wasting that talent.

Nope.  That would be the Cleveland Browns.  Some of you would loose your minds watching this:

2017	1	Myles Garrett	1
2017	25	Jabrill Peppers	0.5
2017	29	David Njoku	1
2016	15	Corey Coleman	0
2015	12	Danny Shelton	0
2015	19	Cameron Erving	0
2014	8	Justin Gilbert	0
2014	22	Johnny Manziel	0
2013	6	Barkevious Mingo	0
2012	3	Trent Richardson	0
2012	22	Brandon Weeden	0
2011	21	Phil Taylor	0

[TheSpecialJuan]

[Peon Awesome]

20 hours ago, panther4life said:

Another example is most Hurney haters who double as Gettleman worshipers, like to to act like the 7 win team who made the playoffs because our division was horrible was some miraculous feat. 

 

Didn't you know? Gettleman at 7-8-1 with a healthy team, historically awful NFC south and Cam in his prime is a testament to his absolute brilliance but Hurney with a 7-9 season in 2018 with a gimpy Cam for half the season shows how historically inept of a gm he is.

[MadHatter]

22 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

No, it's all about management.  Keep blaming the coaches all you want but who hires the coaches?  You guys are hilarious the way you defend mediocrity in this organization.  Nothing will change as long as fans accept the poo show you see year in and year out.  I will be here to laugh at all of you when you make excuses as to why it's Rhules fault that Hurney's All-pro draft picks do not work out.   It's the same drivel every year, Hurney is killing it they say, only to come on here after another failed season to blame everyone but the architect of the mess.  I'm done pointing out the idiocy on here.  This place has gone to poo, it has a collective IQ of a flea.    

 

Saying you had the iq of a flea would be insulting to fleas.

hurbey has drafted talent...Fox and Rivera are defense minded and conservative Coaches who mismanaged that talent.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, MadHatter said:

Saying you had the iq of a flea would be insulting to fleas.

hurbey has drafted talent...Fox and Rivera are defense minded and conservative Coaches who mismanaged that talent.

Do you really think the problem with guys like Rashaan Gaulden, Terrell McClain, Sione Fua and Amini Silatolu was that they were "mismanaged"?

[MadHatter]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Do you really think the problem with guys like Rashaan Gaulden, Terrell McClain, Sione Fua and Amini Silatolu was that they were "mismanaged"?

No...not at all.  Those were bad picks.  However, as a whole, the numbers say that Hurney is as good or better than most GM’s at drafting talent.  Every GM has a laundry list of bad picks.  

if Hurney were as bad at his job as done on here think, he wouldn’t have a job and wouldn’t be pretty highly regarded in the league.  Is he a phenomenal GM.....no.  Is he as good as most...yes.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, MadHatter said:

No...not at all.  Those were bad picks.  However, as a whole, the numbers say that Hurney is as good or better than most GM’s at drafting talent.  Every GM has a laundry list of bad picks.  

if Hurney were as bad at his job as done on here think, he wouldn’t have a job and wouldn’t be pretty highly regarded in the league.  Is he a phenomenal GM.....no.  Is he as good as most...yes.

I think if the owner had been anybody other than Jerry Richardson, he probably would have been fired a long time ago.

Tepper? Still unknown.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, MadHatter said:

if Hurney were as bad at his job as done on here think, he wouldn’t have a job and wouldn’t be pretty highly regarded in the league.  Is he a phenomenal GM.....no.  Is he as good as most...yes.

He was so widely regarded around the league that literally no other team had any interest in him after we fired him.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He was so widely regarded around the league that literally no other team had any interest in him after we fired him.

...as even a scout.

[Drk89Wng]

This is honestly a skewed way of viewing it. Just because an option was picked up doesn’t always mean it was a good pick and vice versa. Examples of good player with contracts not pickeD up are Leonard Fournette and options of players picked up but not a good player Kelvin Benjamin. 

[Drk89Wng]

Hurney is league average imo in drafting. He’s not terrible but not significantly better than the median. Honestly outside of a few consistently good drafters Ozzie Newsome, Steelers organization for decades, its hit or miss. Hell some teams don’t even really care to take advantage of the draft to get players(Seahawks under Carroll and Patriots under Belichick). It’s sad to say there’s a lot of luck involved in the draft. Half the players don’t even go to teams prepared enough to handle them, Danny Shelton looked like a bust in Cleveland but suddenly had his best year statistically with the Patriots in his first full year starting there. I feel Hurney best attributes are also his worst enemy. He always likes to think upside of the box and look at talent and intangibles in a player and hope it translates to the field. He will hit big on a late round pick almost every other year but will get too “sexy” in rounds 2 or 3 and get a pick that leaves us irate for years. I don’t hate the guy like some do but I just wish he wasn’t in charge of the final say for our picks, just there to give in put for who we should look at based on the draft scenario. 

[AU-panther]

Not sure what that really tell us.  Maybe we picked up the options on marginal players that other teams wouldn't have.

Here again our first picks probably aren't as bad as some think, but at the same time I'm not sure this stat really tells us much.  Also the stat doesn't factor in where in the first round teams pick.  I would expect a team with multiple top 10 picks, like us, than a team who usually picks later in the draft.

Included in that list is a WR who is no longer with us, a run stopping DT who is no longer with us, a RB, and 2 off ball LBs.

Not really the most impressive list of impact players especially when you factor in positional value.

The Cam pick was a big win, a lot of GMs would have gone a different route.  Hurney deserves credit for that.  Luke was another really good pick that I'm guessing a lot of GMs wouldn't have made.