Panthers #4 in the NFL at identifying 1st-round talent

[JawnyBlaze]

34 minutes ago, Steves89 said:

IDK...that Kelvin, Shaq, Vernon run doesn't look that great...

Yea that was an atrocious run of first rounders. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

I never wanted Butler, I gave that man a shot for 3 years. Dude was a bust. Unfortunately. 

[Snake]

2 hours ago, MMA said:

What about rounds after the 1st?

[jfra78]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

Not even close to being true

[Moose Hoover]

#2 at winning the superb owl...both times

[RumHam]

3 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

How hard is it to get a good player when you are constantly picking near the top of the draft though? I mean most of the guys we have drafted are guys regular ass Joes on here say we should draft. It doesn't take a rocket science to pick a great player in the top 15. Then again a lot of teams blow it somehow so idk 

there's so much more than just busts. if you get a guy that doesn't show up or just is consistently hurt, then that's a bust. if you get a guy with bad coaches that don't know how to develop players that's a problem too, not necessarily on the guy.

[onmyown]

5 hours ago, MMA said:

What about rounds after the 1st?

Let’s be blunt...what about wins since 1995

oh yea bottom half of the league

[onmyown]

3 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Not even close to being true

So what has Hurney done wrong?

[Rockahype]

6 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Benjamin?

The KB we drafted yes, the KB we traded no. 

[ForJimmy]

Shaq and Star were hits absolutely. We just extended Shaq and he is going to be running our defense.  He was also a late first rounded like pick 25.  Kelvin started off great, but unfortunately events (I think his mom passing) got in his head mentally and he seemed to lose his desire/passion.

[Black&BlueBubba]

13 hours ago, jfra78 said:

A little more ambition and you could be Gettleman

 

[Khyber53]

15 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

How hard is it to get a good player when you are constantly picking near the top of the draft though? I mean most of the guys we have drafted are guys regular ass Joes on here say we should draft. It doesn't take a rocket science to pick a great player in the top 15. Then again a lot of teams blow it somehow so idk 

Ask the Bengals, Bucs, Browns, Cardinals, Lions, Raiders, Dolphins, Titans, Jaguars, Bills (until recently), Redskins, Giants, Bears... that list goes on and on. All get regular high picks in the draft, all have really terrible records of success for picks.

Really, when it comes to the draft, Hurney is well above average, and is pretty much an ace in the first round. For all his faults, he (and his scouting crew --- which also worked during the Gettleman regime) are pretty solid.

And yeah, those top picks are slow-pitch softballs thrown right across the plate. A good GM should be able to knock home runs regularly on those, and he has. Some others, well, not so much. Many consistently whiffed and lost their jobs.

[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

Shaq and Star were hits absolutely. We just extended Shaq and he is going to be running our defense.  He was also a late first rounded like pick 25.  Kelvin started off great, but unfortunately events (I think his mom passing) got in his head mentally and he seemed to lose his desire/passion.

And that knee injury. A knee injury changes a person many times and they will change their entire life just to work around trying to protect that knee from further injury. I realized after mine that I had done that, I can only imagine an athlete whose career depends on it might do the same, to the actual detriment of his ability to play, rehab and condition.

[rayzor]

#1 at wasting that talent.