If Bridgwater is anythign less than elite, the front office screwed up

[Madwolf]

1 hour ago, AU-panther said:

But we could have had a starter for a lot less.  Winston, Dalton, and Grier all could have been cheaper alternatives.

At $20m you are expecting him to be an upper tier QB, (for those that didn't like the elite term).

How many more wins does he get you then Dalton or Winston?

If the answer is only 2-3 and you don't make the playoffs then it is wasted draft picks and cap space.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

Cheaper starter for a lot less?

Winston isn't a starting caliber QB, his INT problems are a SERIOUS flaw. What he's getting paid is also insanely low, and reflects his value in the eyes of most NFL teams that he even had to take that much.

Dalton is an injury prone QB on the wrong side of 30, with no upside and likely a career backup at this point.

Grier was AWFUL last year. No one is signing here in FA to come play with Will Grier as the QBs. Fans aren't coming to watch games with Will Grier as the QB, and they aren't even turning the TV on.

How many wins does he get you more than Winston or Dalton? I would guess quite a bit more with a decent defense. Bridgewater will not hurt your defense with his play. He'll always put you in a position to win games if you have the pieces. Not sure if he can win games on his own most times, but we'll see.

Is 2-3 wins without the playoffs devastating to our Draft chances? Didn't seem to be for Kansas City. Hasn't been a problem for New England. Didn't hurt Seattle. Didn't stop Pittsburgh. Contrary to popular believe, Super Bowl teams don't regularly pick in the Top 5, or even the Top 10 most seasons. There are talented players at all levels of the 1st round. The potential for a game changer may be higher, but they're not sure things, and you still have to build a team around them.

 

 

[Waldo]

2 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

It's going to be a big transition year, no doubt. A winning season will feel like a huge victory for this team. We're building for next season or the one after that. Teddy is the guy that is going to drive until that happens. I hope that he becomes the greatest QB of the generation and we extend him for many years to come. If not though, I'm OK with what we have, and the price we paid.

A winning season seems like a fantasy for this year. I don't think we could win 3rd in our division yet. Not getting blown out and improving young guys is the win this year and it would be huge for us.

Ted needs to play a full year before we discuss his future seriously. As it stands he was mediocre on a much better team last year. He looks healthy but has not played a full 16 games since his horrific injury. I'm happy to wait and see. If he thrives that gives us options and if he flames out then that gives us other opertunities.

Ted's contract gives us the option to play him again next year, to trade him or to cut him if it goes terribly wrong. So I don't think it's a great contract on it's own but it does fit us because we are purging dead cap, building youth and it fits supporting a first time OC.

[Moo Daeng]

2 hours ago, AU-panther said:

But we could have had a starter for a lot less.  Winston, Dalton, and Grier all could have been cheaper alternatives.

At $20m you are expecting him to be an upper tier QB, (for those that didn't like the elite term).

How many more wins does he get you then Dalton or Winston?

If the answer is only 2-3 and you don't make the playoffs then it is wasted draft picks and cap space.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

You seem to be about 7 or 8  years behind on salaries. He has a short contract and it's value is middle to below middle of the pack on a per year basis. There is no way to spin this in to what you are trying to say.

[mrcompletely11]

17 hours ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Late to the thread but Teddy doesn't need to be elite, as Cam has never been that either with the exception of one year.

Taking out his elite season then he is basically a .500 qb. 

[mrcompletely11]

8 hours ago, pantherj said:

Teddy Bridgewater is the Panthers sacrificial lamb. Our defense won't be good enough to keep scores low against most teams. That means our offense with need to throw the ball more to try and make a comeback or stay in the game. Our offensive line is simply incapable of protecting Teddy under non-check down situations. That means that Teddy is going to take a lot of brutal hits, and he has a small skinny build and reconstructed knee. All the dominoes are in place for Teddy being injured this season, and he's going to be pissed that they put him out there to be slaughtered. 

 

The ideal (within reason) situation for Teddy is a team with a dominant defense, good o-line, and weapons that can rack up YAC and make big plays out of small plays. Teddy can thrive in that situation, but so can a lot of QBs.

 

This guy gets it. 

[shaqattaq]

21 hours ago, Madwolf said:

Watching Hurney draft QBs was always super nuts. It's amazing how someone can be so incredibly bad at finding talent at the QB position. I realize your chances are pretty low outside of the 1st round, but my god he couldn't even find backup quality players. Matt Moore is the only guy that springs to mind as a guy who worked out to be a quality backup QB in the NFL, and I'm almost certain he was an UDFA.

You look at the guys he drafted and it's head scratchingly bad. The first I remember is LeFors, who played for Louisville, and doesn't have a single NFL stat line. Clausen, who was horrible. Armanti Edwards, which we made into a failed WR. And then we have Grier, who just showed 0 promise to me last year and we drafted him earlier than many thought he would go.

I mean, if you want to feel good about Teddy, the best thing he has going for him playing for the Panthers is that Hurney didn't draft him.

Moore was signed by Dallas as a UDFA in 2007. We claimed him off waivers.

[shaqattaq]

19 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Funny thing is Bridgewater was a first round draft choice. And before he had a  terrible pro day, he was predicted to be the first quarterback taken in the draft. Interesting story.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2045751-from-first-overall-to-free-falling-what-happened-to-teddy-bridgewater

OK, I just did a little wiki-research on Teddy. I knew the basics of his story, but didn't realize that the last time he threw a pass before facing us in the final game of 2018 was in the 2015 playoffs, a year he made the pro-bowl, btw. And he was ROTY in 2014.  If we can keep this guy upright, he can play. I get that our o-line and his knee are questionable, but I'm definitely more optimistic about him than I was an hour ago. 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, shaqattaq said:

OK, I just did a little wiki-research on Teddy. I knew the basics of his story, but didn't realize that the last time he threw a pass before facing us in the final game of 2018 was in the 2015 playoffs, a year he made the pro-bowl, btw. And he was ROTY in 2014.  If we can keep this guy upright, he can play. I get that our o-line and his knee are questionable, but I'm definitely more optimistic about him than I was an hour ago. 

citing the pro bowl as an accomplishment is lol funny

[CanadianCat]

14 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

citing the pro bowl as an accomplishment is lol funny

it is.. its a popularity contest for sure but you still have to be very good to get in. 

[shaqattaq]

17 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

citing the pro bowl as an accomplishment is lol funny

It may not be the be-all-end-all, but it is an accomplishment. The point I was trying to make was that he's only played 2 and a quarter seasons, and has done nothing but win. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. 

[CRA]

Teddy also has a unique value for Carolina that doesn't exist elsewhere.  Which IMO is money well spent.  Part of the Teddy appeal and why he works in Carolina....is he won't be learning the Joe Brady offense in the same manner as everyone else on O.  Having a QB who gets it from day 1 aids everyone. 

[jumpman910]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

Teddy also has a unique value for Carolina that doesn't exist elsewhere.  Which IMO is money well spent.  Part of the Teddy appeal and why he works in Carolina....is he won't be learning the Joe Brady offense in the same manner as everyone else on O.  Having a QB who gets it from day 1 aids everyone. 

Bingo,  it's also the reason why IMO if we still get a high pick and at any point Teddy was a reason then he knows what time it is. 

I hope teddy balls out but if he doesn't it'll seem more glaring since he had a leg up scheme and qb/wr connection wise.

Very interesting situation upon us. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, CanadianCat said:

it is.. its a popularity contest for sure but you still have to be very good to get in. 

Go look at his stats that year. Gotta be the worst "Pro Bowl season" in modern QBing history. It also just so happened to be the largest Pro Bowl roster in history due to all the alternates. Pretty sure Teddy was an alternate of an alternate. His "Pro Bowl season" is pretty much the equivalent of our 7-9 "playoff season" - yeah, technically accurate but also a huge fluke.

[Black&BlueBubba]

On 5/5/2020 at 2:18 PM, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, there is. The problem is that it's called purgatory.

My biggest concern is the worst case scenario. That scenario being that Teddy is just good enough to keep us from being in a position to land a legit franchise QB prospect.

That will be put to bed when the schedule comes out Thursday.  With the teams we have to play I see no more than 3-4 wins.  Probably top 3 in draft order next year.  We should be able to get one of Lawrence, Fields, or Lance. At least I’m hoping so anyway.