If Bridgwater is anythign less than elite, the front office screwed up

[The Huddler]

Actually, If Teddy plays well, that contract we gave him is looking very team friendly. and if it doesn't go to plan, we can easily get out of it.

 

I disagree OP

[AU-panther]

For those that are saying elite QBs make a lot more that $20m, here is a question, are you happy paying an average QB $20m?

To me that is the whole point here, you either pay a really good QB a lot of money or you go cheap.

How many more wins does he get us over someone like Dalton, or Winston, or Cam?

Did we overpay for TB?  Who else would have signed him for that amount?  Did we misjudge the QB market, like we did the WR market?

I like TB and I think there is a very good chance for him to play well in our system.  I'm just not a fan of paying someone for what I hope they become.  I have the same attitude towards the draft, I'm not going to draft a guy hoping his production becomes better.

[The Huddler]

7 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

For those that are saying elite QBs make a lot more that $20m, here is a question, are you happy paying an average QB $20m?

To me that is the whole point here, you either pay a really good QB a lot of money or you go cheap.

How many more wins does he get us over someone like Dalton, or Winston, or Cam?

Did we overpay for TB?  Who else would have signed him for that amount?  Did we misjudge the QB market, like we did the WR market?

I like TB and I think there is a very good chance for him to play well in our system.  I'm just not a fan of paying someone for what I hope they become.  I have the same attitude towards the draft, I'm not going to draft a guy hoping his production becomes better.

If you want a starting caliber QB with upside, you have to pay.

 

its a team friendly deal. We end up with a bargain if he plays well, and we can get out of the contract quickly with little dead money down the line if he doesn't  

[Panthercougar68]

saX with the most logical answer here.

[Brooklyn 3.0]

Late to the thread but Teddy doesn't need to be elite, as Cam has never been that either with the exception of one year.

[Moose Hoover]

Well, has anyone considered just for a second. The player that will get us to the field will be best for the franchise. Could ted be that guy? There is a 50 50 chance. Hindsight is 360 degrees. Burney and geettle know they tried with delhomme and Pete and harb and tom glennon. No dice AZ mingo. 

For all intensive purpoises it's a mute point to order a cold brew espresso.

But I DO IT ALL THE TIME.

Yeet. Sploot.

[Moose Hoover]

1 hour ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Late to the thread but Teddy doesn't need to be elite, as Cam has never been that either with the exception of one year.

O noes babi wat is u doing

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, gruffmusic said:

Teddy had been criticized for wearing gloves. He made a bad call to ditch the gloves during his pro day.

The thing is that Teddy is what everyone hopes we find next year which is a first round hot prospect.  Not only that but in his 34 starts he is 22-12 and has already been to the playoffs. His career was taking off until the knee blew up. I have no idea whether he will be good or bad but I think he is going to be better than people think.  He is a game manager who is effective in the right system.  

[weyco2000]

12 hours ago, AU-panther said:

Cam still unsigned.

Dalton signed for 3-7 million.

Winston signed for 1-3 million.

As the title says, if Teddy Bridgewater in anything less than elite we screwed up.

If we use a first round pick on a QB, signing TB was a mistake.  You are basically spending 60 million to keep a seat warm.

I don't buy the excuse that he will be good for a rookie to learn from.  That is what coaches are for, but if you are determeined to have a vet to learn from you can find those cheaply in free agency

Don't get me wrong, I hope he flourishes in our system, and maybe he will, and at that point 20 million is a year is more than fair. 

I'm just not a big fan of paying guys to become something they haven't been consitatntaly in the past.  Matt Kalil is a perfect example of that.  We paid him hoping he would become something better than his recent play showed.

We could have kept Cam under contract while he waited for an offer another team with the intention of just using Grier.  At this point Cam might have been willing to play under just a one year deal.

I'm not even going to get into how many draft picks, either through comp picks or higher future picks we are probably going to lose out on.

I think the ultimately the front office misjudged the QB market this year, not only what Cam would get on the open market, but also what the team could have signed if they didn't want to keep Cam.

I really hope Bridgewater flourishes and turns into Drew Brees and we don't even need to draft a QB next year, but its definitely a huge gamble.

 

[pantherj]

Teddy Bridgewater is the Panthers sacrificial lamb. Our defense won't be good enough to keep scores low against most teams. That means our offense with need to throw the ball more to try and make a comeback or stay in the game. Our offensive line is simply incapable of protecting Teddy under non-check down situations. That means that Teddy is going to take a lot of brutal hits, and he has a small skinny build and reconstructed knee. All the dominoes are in place for Teddy being injured this season, and he's going to be pissed that they put him out there to be slaughtered. 

 

The ideal (within reason) situation for Teddy is a team with a dominant defense, good o-line, and weapons that can rack up YAC and make big plays out of small plays. Teddy can thrive in that situation, but so can a lot of QBs.

 

[Madwolf]

13 hours ago, AU-panther said:

For those that are saying elite QBs make a lot more that $20m, here is a question, are you happy paying an average QB $20m?

To me that is the whole point here, you either pay a really good QB a lot of money or you go cheap.

How many more wins does he get us over someone like Dalton, or Winston, or Cam?

Did we overpay for TB?  Who else would have signed him for that amount?  Did we misjudge the QB market, like we did the WR market?

I like TB and I think there is a very good chance for him to play well in our system.  I'm just not a fan of paying someone for what I hope they become.  I have the same attitude towards the draft, I'm not going to draft a guy hoping his production becomes better.

Teddy Bridgewater is the lowest paid starting QB who isn't on a rookie contract.

I don't know exactly what you expect, but clearly it's a problem with your expectations, and not reality.

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, Madwolf said:

Teddy Bridgewater is the lowest paid starting QB who isn't on a rookie contract.

I don't know exactly what you expect, but clearly it's a problem with your expectations, and not reality.

But we could have had a starter for a lot less.  Winston, Dalton, and Grier all could have been cheaper alternatives.

At $20m you are expecting him to be an upper tier QB, (for those that didn't like the elite term).

How many more wins does he get you then Dalton or Winston?

If the answer is only 2-3 and you don't make the playoffs then it is wasted draft picks and cap space.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[jumpman910]

15 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

But we could have had a starter for a lot less.  Winston, Dalton, and Grier all could have been cheaper alternatives.

At $20m you are expecting him to be an upper tier QB, (for those that didn't like the elite term).

How many more wins does he get you then Dalton or Winston?

If the answer is only 2-3 and you don't make the playoffs then it is wasted draft picks and cap space.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

20 mil isn't elite/upper qb money anymore man, it's just the going rate. 

And you know Winston and Dalton are recouping value to hit agency next year after being in potentially good situations, we aren't viewed as that right now.

So we were a team that wanted to see what Teddy had, plus the familiarity. Teddy's contract was/is built to compete with a young qb down the road. Teddy understand he has to play high-end/flawless if we end up with a top 5 pick or it'll be a QB. But the same way Teddy understands that, I thought we all did too. 

Is what it is man. 

[shaqattaq]

22 hours ago, Waldo said:

The money really doesn't matter to us fans, it's not like it's got to be used somewhere else or helps with the dead cap we are purging now. 

Ted is a comfort blanket to help Brady set up his O. He has never been elite and the rest of the team isn't good enough to win a ton this year with a JAG at QB, even if he fits the system.

The Cam bridge was burnt down, non-recoverable now. It's over and at this point I'm happy not watching him get creamed here which is what I fear is in store for Ted and that is fine because he is being paid extremely well to do it. It sounds like it was no longer a fit with Cam and there were too many mistakes to go around to share that blame. 

The big question is will we win 2 games or 8? I don't know but I suspect it's closer the the lower number and that's fine too. We are digging out of a crater of talent leaving us and 2 bad years of team management. 

 

 

It's going to be a big transition year, no doubt. A winning season will feel like a huge victory for this team. We're building for next season or the one after that. Teddy is the guy that is going to drive until that happens. I hope that he becomes the greatest QB of the generation and we extend him for many years to come. If not though, I'm OK with what we have, and the price we paid.