If Bridgwater is anythign less than elite, the front office screwed up

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Bridgewater to have career year?

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59 minutes ago, Call Me James said:

It's amazing how fast some of yall went from 19 million being too much to 20 million for a starter being a steal. 

i’m pulling for bridgewater. it would be great to watch f150s meltdown as the realization that teddy isn’t a bridge to a quarterback who Looks The Part but is in fact the Face Of The Franchise slowly washes over them. he’s going to play in a system that’s favorable for quarterbacks and his stat line very well may be too good to move on from, even if he obviously isn’t the actual answer. the robby anderson signing signals they’re going to give him every opportunity to be the guy and i hope he can become that despite his career to this point.

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5 minutes ago, gruffmusic said:

Bridgewater to have career year?

stats wise yes he’s probably going to do very well relative to the rest of his career. too good to push out the door without looking extremely suspect imo

[Call Me James]

45 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

i’m pulling for bridgewater. it would be great to watch f150s meltdown as the realization that teddy isn’t a bridge to a quarterback who Looks The Part but is in fact the Face Of The Franchise slowly washes over them. he’s going to play in a system that’s favorable for quarterbacks and his stat line very well may be too good to move on from, even if he obviously isn’t the actual answer. the robby anderson signing signals they’re going to give him every opportunity to be the guy and i hope he can become that despite his career to this point.

It's going to be tough for some of these folks. I already see them calling him a 2 year stop gap and others are talking about there being a QB competition for the starting job. 

Truth is we're more likely to hear about contract extension talks next year than drafting the "QB of the future."

 

 

[Madwolf]

12 hours ago, AU-panther said:

If Teddy is playing well why would you draft a QB, wouldn't you give TB an extension?

If Teddy is playing well then we don't draft a QB, and we have the most team friendly contract on a good veteran QB in the league.

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10 hours ago, gruffmusic said:

Bridgewater to have career year?

Wow, that’s really pushing the envelope for a QB with career highs of 14 TDs and 3231 yards. Let’s put that in perspective, Teddy would have to finish 30th in the NFL (according to 2019 stats) with 15 TDs and 21st with 3232 yards to have a career year. If he doesn’t have a career year his contract was flushing money down the toilet but a good sign for drafting a franchise QB to replace him.

Trubitzky was awful last year and he basically had Teddy’s career year last year. Kyle Allen was mediocre at best and he easily beat Teddy’s career bests and he only started 12 games. Honestly, I don’t want 8-8, but Teddy better blow the doors off of his career best.

[Wes21]

13 hours ago, AU-panther said:

If Teddy is playing well why would you draft a QB, wouldn't you give TB an extension?

I guess it depends on what your definition of elite is.  Top 3 QBs in the league? Top 5?  Top 10? Was Cam elite?

 

What if we use the term "franchise QB?  Does that make people happier?

Would it be top 3? top 5? top 10?

How about this, if he is bad enough that we feel the need to draft a QB in the first round next year then we overpaid for a bridge QB.  That shouldn't be too hard for people to understand.  

I thought Rich Gannon had the best definition of what an elite QB is.  "You are surprised when he has a bad game."  Its not that he doesn't, its just different.  He used Big Ben as an example.  When Ben goes out and has a bad game, nobody is surprised.  When Peyton Manning went out and had a bad game, people took notice.  That was the separation point he made.  

[Madwolf]

9 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Wow, that’s really pushing the envelope for a QB with career highs of 14 TDs and 3231 yards. Let’s put that in perspective, Teddy would have to finish 30th in the NFL (according to 2019 stats) with 15 TDs and 21st with 3232 yards to have a career year. If he doesn’t have a career year his contract was flushing money down the toilet but a good sign for drafting a franchise QB to replace him.

Trubitzky was awful last year and he basically had Teddy’s career year last year. Kyle Allen was mediocre at best and he easily beat Teddy’s career bests and he only started 12 games. Honestly, I don’t want 8-8, but Teddy better blow the doors off of his career best.

Teddy has also not started for a team since his injury (well full time), and was considered a bright rising star before that.

He was also on pace for a really nice stat line to end the season last year had he started every game. He would have had around 29 TDs and 4,400 yards. 

You can't just use his 1st two seasons in a vacuum and ignore what he's done this past year. 

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38 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

Teddy has also not started for a team since his injury (well full time), and was considered a bright rising star before that.

He was also on pace for a really nice stat line to end the season last year had he started every game. He would have had around 29 TDs and 4,400 yards. 

You can't just use his 1st two seasons in a vacuum and ignore what he's done this past year. 

You also can't pro-rate 5 games, while skiping the game he threw 30 passes, when one of his games was 314 yards (26% of his 5 game yards)  and 4 TDs (44% of his 5 game TDs) at home against Tampa. He won't play Tampa at home 3.2 times a year, which is what your pro-rated stats show.

Take Teddy's non-Tampa games and include the Rams game where he threw 90% of the passes and pro-rate them and it's 16 TDs and 3414 yards, just a slight bump from his best year. If you include the Tampa game and the Rams game, his pro-rated total would be 24 TDs and 3690 yards. Brees had 27 TDs and 3000 yards in 10 games in the same offense. Teddy was like 2/3rds of Brees and only that high because he had 1 great game at home against Tampa.

I expect Teddy to beat his career high, but actually looking at all of his games with NO compared to Brees and he's not impressive at all. If you skip a game and pro-rate a small set including a big outlier it looks good, but it's not real.

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2 hours ago, stbugs said:

Wow, that’s really pushing the envelope for a QB with career highs of 14 TDs and 3231 yards. Let’s put that in perspective, Teddy would have to finish 30th in the NFL (according to 2019 stats) with 15 TDs and 21st with 3232 yards to have a career year. If he doesn’t have a career year his contract was flushing money down the toilet but a good sign for drafting a franchise QB to replace him.

Trubitzky was awful last year and he basically had Teddy’s career year last year. Kyle Allen was mediocre at best and he easily beat Teddy’s career bests and he only started 12 games. Honestly, I don’t want 8-8, but Teddy better blow the doors off of his career best.

Don't get me wrong, I am not exactly expecting Bridgewater to be the next Tom Brady, but your numbers are misleading.  The Vikings don't throw the ball much, regardless of who the qb is.  With five years as a head coach, Mike Zimmer's teams have been in the top half of the league in passing attempts exactly once (their worst season).  Zimmer is an old school, run the ball and play defense style of coach, so any qb that plays for him is going to have lower td and yardage totals by default.  

 

His passing efficiency is more important to me and a better indicator of his ability (and the possibility of a career best year).  He has decent pass completion percentage, relatively few negative plays, and a decent td to interception ratio.  I personally think our offense will be better than last year simply because Bridgewater is a better qb than Allen, (assuming he can stay healthy).  He could have a career year, although as you pointed out, a career year for him isn't setting the bar that high.  But we could easily be better on offense, in part because of Teddy B.  

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4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

You also can't pro-rate 5 games, while skiping the game he threw 30 passes, when one of his games was 314 yards (26% of his 5 game yards)  and 4 TDs (44% of his 5 game TDs) at home against Tampa. He won't play Tampa at home 3.2 times a year, which is what your pro-rated stats show.

Take Teddy's non-Tampa games and include the Rams game where he threw 90% of the passes and pro-rate them and it's 16 TDs and 3414 yards, just a slight bump from his best year. If you include the Tampa game and the Rams game, his pro-rated total would be 24 TDs and 3690 yards. Brees had 27 TDs and 3000 yards in 10 games in the same offense. Teddy was like 2/3rds of Brees and only that high because he had 1 great game at home against Tampa.

I expect Teddy to beat his career high, but actually looking at all of his games with NO compared to Brees and he's not impressive at all. If you skip a game and pro-rate a small set including a big outlier it looks good, but it's not real.

If you're going to remove his best game, then why not remove his worst game as well? You can't just act like his best game didn't happen. You have to take it all into consideration. 

And one would expect Brees to be better in an Offense built for him, and being a Hall of Fame player.

[AU-panther]

3 hours ago, stbugs said:

Wow, that’s really pushing the envelope for a QB with career highs of 14 TDs and 3231 yards. Let’s put that in perspective, Teddy would have to finish 30th in the NFL (according to 2019 stats) with 15 TDs and 21st with 3232 yards to have a career year. If he doesn’t have a career year his contract was flushing money down the toilet but a good sign for drafting a franchise QB to replace him.

Trubitzky was awful last year and he basically had Teddy’s career year last year. Kyle Allen was mediocre at best and he easily beat Teddy’s career bests and he only started 12 games. Honestly, I don’t want 8-8, but Teddy better blow the doors off of his career best.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if he did in fact have a career year.  I actually think some of his skillset translates nicely to what we want to do offensively.

I'm just not a big fan of paying a guy big money for what I hope he can become.  We are basically asking him to play better than he ever has to justify his contract.  That's what we did with Kalil and that is a gamble that over time you will probably lose more than you win.  Nothing in Kalil's recent history was indictive of an elite LT but we paid him as such hoping he would play better.

Best case he plays great, and we have our franchise QB, and we can spend draft resources on other positions next year.  Worst cases we wasted resources on a stopgap. 

Here is an article by PFF that talks about him and his fit with us,

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-teddy-bridgewater-bridge-or-building-block-for-the-carolina-panthers

One interesting tidbit is that his deep passing might not be as bad as some like to say.

 

 

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I can’t believe I’m going to say this but I actually think Teddy CAN be a franchise QB IF****** he can stay healthy. I use the term franchise QB as a QB who you can win with. 

Teddy possesses a few very desirable QB traits. Teddy understands different coverages and defensive schemes. Teddy is a good anticipation thrower and is very smart. Teddy doesn’t possess that great arm strength but a QB doesn’t need to have great arm strength to be successful when you have those other two traits. 

Teddy never got the chance/reps to earn back his starting job after his injury. Teddy looked like the Vikings QB of the future based off his first two seasons. Take a look at other QB’s numbers their first few seasons (like Big Ben). 

Teddy also had one of the worst supporting casts in 2015. A WR group led by Mike Wallace until Diggs proved himself as a rookie.

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1 hour ago, Madwolf said:

If you're going to remove his best game, then why not remove his worst game as well? You can't just act like his best game didn't happen. You have to take it all into consideration. 

And one would expect Brees to be better in an Offense built for him, and being a Hall of Fame player.

I gave you the non Tampa for 4, non Tampa for 5 and Tampa in 6. The only one that looks like an outlier is the game with Tampa and your prorated makes them count as if he played them at home 3.2 times. He had one great game against the worst pass D in the league at home. Other than that he wasn’t much different than his days in Minnesota. Far closer to that than to Brees. Comparing him to an elite QB’s numbers shows how far he is from there even in the same offense. That said, it would be a shock if he doesn’t have his best year.