Did Rhule lie about Newton?

[Squirrel]

13 minutes ago, rippadonn said:

Tepper has said "We want to win a Superbowl with Cam Newton". That was the company line for a while, yet on the other hand they leaked their true intentions to the media.

Definition of two faced.

Yeah didn't help Cam was still injured.  Think that was the nail in the coffin. Team was assured Cam was healthy.  

 

So who lied first. 

[thefuzz]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

See, here's an example of hearing what you want to hear.

Tepper didn't say that.

What he actually said was that "in an ideal world" we'd be winning Super Bowls with Cam Newton, but he further went on to say that nothing was determined yet and as usual invoke the "if healthy" phrase he said in every other setting.

All this was recorded at Tepper's "don't quote me" meeting with reporters back in December.

Whole lot of qualifiers in all of his statements...that's not an accident.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Whole lot of qualifiers in all of his statements...that's not an accident.

No, it's not. Neither is the use of phrases like  "we want to",  "we plan to", "we hope we can", etc.

It's all indefinite, flexible and perhaps most important, subject to change.

[thefuzz]

51 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

No, it's not. Neither is the use of phrases like  "we want to",  "we plan to", "we hope we can", etc.

It's all indefinite, flexible and perhaps most important, subject to change.

Unfortunately I have to use this exact type of verbiage in my day to day life.  When you say those things a lot, you start to see them pretty quickly.

 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Unfortunately I have to use this exact type of verbiage in my day to day life.  When you say those things a lot, you start to see them pretty quickly.

I'm not in a position like that, but over the years I've seen enough examples of NFL leadership using flexible language to know it when I hear it.

[thefuzz]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not in a position like that, but over the years I've seen enough examples of NFL leadership using flexible language to know it when I hear it.

I don't like it, but in an industry where everything is fluid 100% of the time, it's what I have to do...been doing it for over 15 years, so it's certainly a habit, and something I find myself using on this site a lot.

I try my very best not to use it around my wife, friends, and family, but I'm sure I do.

[stirs]

"my football feels are so important"

[Mr. Scot]

33 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I don't like it, but in an industry where everything is fluid 100% of the time, it's what I have to do...been doing it for over 15 years, so it's certainly a habit, and something I find myself using on this site a lot.

I try my very best not to use it around my wife, friends, and family, but I'm sure I do.

I do try to be conscious of what I can definitively say and what I can't, especially with regard to the future.

Even if there's something I firmly believe will probably happen, I still can't say so with absolute certainty, so I choose not to.

I get that a lot of people these days wants to make big bold statements about how they guarandamntee everything but that's not me.

[CarolinaNCSU]

"Lied" although I think a lot of the fanbase never believed Cam was staying unless they ignored a lot of the hints and media members actions during the season and early offseason.  The bigger issue to me is mostly the fact that they've "lied" about the entire direction of the team. 

There were heavy hints that Cam is gone, mass exodus of key players, and the team will tank and prepare for the worst as fans. That turned into well, Cam might be back and we want him healthy, and it's a retool, and we think we can compete, etc. If our ability to sign Teddy Bridgewater is seriously what turned this entire rebuild into a retool/ready to compete in their minds, the entire organization should be questioned.  

 

Until a draft that we all like on the surface right now, this team has been a roller-coaster with seemingly no direction except back towards mediocrity, the one thing Tepper claimed he wouldn't tolerate.  Our FA signings signaled we're ready to compete, to not be the worst. We've put bandaids on a gunshot wound. 

[stirs]

Maybe you guys can cry to management and demand access to the war room for next draft.  Wouldn't want you guys to be lied to.

 

From USA Today a few years back:

 

Football is a game of misdirection. Think play-action, counter treys and naked bootlegs.

The NFL draft is a game of misdirection, too. Think lies, damn lies and — if you can imagine — naked truth.

"The best smokescreen now is the truth," Arizona Cardinals coach Bruce Arians says. "No one believes it."

The NFL draft begins Thursday tonight, none too soon for the league's general managers, who've spent the last several months treating conversations with their peers like the headlines of a supermarket tabloid — believed at your peril.

"I refer to this time before the draft as 'National Liars Month' in the NFL," former Dallas Cowboys personnel guru Gil Brandt tells USA TODAY Sports. "There are so many things said that are misdirection."

[thefuzz]

11 minutes ago, CarolinaNCSU said:

"Lied" although I think a lot of the fanbase never believed Cam was staying unless they ignored a lot of the hints and media members actions during the season and early offseason.  The bigger issue to me is mostly the fact that they've "lied" about the entire direction of the team. 

There were heavy hints that Cam is gone, mass exodus of key players, and the team will tank and prepare for the worst as fans. That turned into well, Cam might be back and we want him healthy, and it's a retool, and we think we can compete, etc. If our ability to sign Teddy Bridgewater is seriously what turned this entire rebuild into a retool/ready to compete in their minds, the entire organization should be questioned.  

 

Until a draft that we all like on the surface right now, this team has been a roller-coaster with seemingly no direction except back towards mediocrity, the one thing Tepper claimed he wouldn't tolerate.  Our FA signings signaled we're ready to compete, to not be the worst. We've put bandaids on a gunshot wound. 

We were in a perfect position to tank, and I think that's what we (Tepper) fully planned on doing....but Rhule wasn't going to have it, and Tepper wanted Rhule.

Rhule wants to instill a culture, and I totally get that, if you are starting from scratch, culture may be the very best thing to start with.

I don't think it's the best strategy for winning a Super Bowl, but if this is what we are going to do...so be it.

[MVPccaffrey]

17 hours ago, Navy_football said:

Yep. Sure did.

Though I'm somehow more accepting of that lie. It was not for his benefit but for that of the team. 

It doesn't benefit the team when it causes surgery to be delayed such that recovery time bleeds into the pre-season, or results in a much worse injury as a result of still be played.

[LinvilleGorge]

Cam is gone and there's still a good chunk of our "fans" who still just have to poo on him. Sad.

[Snake]

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 What kind of money are we talking about?

How many towns in SC have enough money to pull it off?

@raleigh-panther

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