Long-time, Hurney hater here. but...

[onmyown]

4 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Also Hurney didn't extend Short, Gettleman did.

Then that falls on him. The restructure was a bad move, this is on paper as well. I find it funny Olsen and TD ran to the front office as soon as Hurney stepped in the building wanting more money...and then got it. Coincidence? No. 

I’m simply highlighting Hurney’s downfalls while appreciating his drafts, but pointing out that I believe his downfalls won’t lead to Teps desired outcomes and why.

If you guys love everything about Hurney then we will just agree to disagree.

[jfra78]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney restructured him.after the extension.

Yes

[CarolinaRideorDie]

This fanbase is so wishy-washy. I remember last year during the offseason when Hurney signed McCoy, Boston, Paradis, brought back Daryl Williams on a prove it deal, everyone thought he should have been in the hall of fame and we were Super Bowl bound. One year later after the season fell apart, high priced free agent signings not working out everyone tears him a new A-hole. Every team thinks they win the draft, free agency, or offseason guys. If we don't a Super Bowl, the season is considered a loss! 

[jfra78]

5 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Then that falls on him. The restructure was a bad move, this is on paper as well. I find it funny Olsen and TD ran to the front office as soon as Hurney stepped in the building wanting more money...and then got it. Coincidence? No. 

I’m simply highlighting Hurney’s downfalls while appreciating his drafts, but pointing out that I believe his downfalls won’t lead to Teps desired outcomes and why.

If you guys love everything about Hurney then we will just agree to disagree.

The TD and Olsen is known to be JRs move.  I've said before most people do what their boss tells them to do if they want to keep their job.  JR fired Gettleman brcause he wouldn't, and hired someone who would.

[onmyown]

1 minute ago, CarolinaRideorDie said:

This fanbase is so wishy-washy. I remember last year during the offseason when Hurney signed McCoy, Boston, Paradis, brought back Daryl Williams on a prove it deal, everyone thought he should have been in the hall of fame and we were Super Bowl bound. One year later after the season fell apart, high priced free agent signings not working out everyone tears him a new A-hole. Every team thinks they win the draft, free agency, or offseason guys. If we don't a Super Bowl, the season is considered a loss! 

In the big Paradis thread the day he was signed I specifically said it was a bad move because of his injury and the Broncos just flat out cutting him, and said Elway knew what he was doing with the move. I got flamed for it like hell.

Hard to be happy about it now.

I was also so frustrated about Williams, because once again...big men with injury. Got flamed in that thread as well luckily it was a short term contract....but it seems the staff still wants to cling on to him which again I’ll say, isn’t a good move.

McCoy was a great signing, wish it were for two years. Boston was a good signing, am happy with it and actually think it’s fair.

 

[onmyown]

6 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

The TD and Olsen is known to be JRs move.  I've said before most people do what their boss tells them to do if they want to keep their job.  JR fired Gettleman brcause he wouldn't, and hired someone who would.

I can agree to that. JR was a terrible owner and influenced Hurney. Still, I’d personally rather move on from Hurney. Wish we could’ve interviewed that guy from the Eagles, but we can’t even do that.

[RASTAN66]

Hurndog is the GM in name only...

...he has no autonomous decision making power and hasn't since Tepper bought the team.

The Firm is now running the organization.

Hurndog is a cog in the wheel but he doesn't have his own set of keys.

[Icege]

Hell yes I can be mad at him. That sonuvabitch tried to trade away a pick again to move up for YGM.

[ThPantherFan]

4 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Are there any haters who are thinking, "Maybe, just maybe..."?

No.  Are you cr...................!

[ThPantherFan]

4 hours ago, MHS831 said:

what did you see that suggests he should NOT be renewed?

Prior years.

[ThPantherFan]

4 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

Yeah...I am probably more supportive of Hurney

I don't understand why.

[ThPantherFan]

4 hours ago, Ship said:

I wouldn't be surprised if he stays another year. With the way this year and season will likely go, I think we hold course for another year. Also, who are we replacing him with? In his interview yesterday Rhule said he'd rather have Hurney than look for a new GM. The GM process should be a grooming process here.

I hope Tepper has already written the pink slip.

[panthers55]

33 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Didn’t he extended KK? He singed Paradis. Also overpaid Shaq imo. And I can’t remember timelines but didn’t he extend Olsen and TD? When they (more Olsen than TD) was clearly done? And now Olsen is gone a after sitting on the bench for two years still being paid? Ryan Kalil was also a worthless extension, forgot if it was him or Gettle.

 Not saying he is flaming like his first stint but he’s still making mistakes. Scouting deserves blame too but I think Hurney has the ultimate say and responsibility. No one likes the boss blaming the shitty employees he hires (not saying Hurney hires them just a metaphor).

For the record I don’t do the whole ‘since he’s been back from being fired the first time’ scenario because that’s kind of being unrealistic from an employment standpoint, I mean, we’d all look a lot better if we were given multiple breaks/chances. And 99% of us probably wouldn’t get multiple chances after years of fuging up, let alone a decade. But personally I view success by the entire scope of things, not sectioned out timelines.

But let me ask you this, what do you think his faults have been?

Because if you can’t name any, or justify moves that have gone south, or say others are to blame than you’re not being objective and your viewpoint is meaningless. I’ve already said I’m pretty happy with his drafts, although this one without boneheaded moves smells more like Rhule than Hurney to me, and then pointed out what I’m not happy with. Overall, I don’t think has Patriot/Steeler/Eagle finesse like he thinks he does to build an entire team from his drafts alone, and so I just don’t think he will be the one to build a consistent winner like Tep wants.

So let's look at your points. Was the Short contract a bad one? I don't think so unless you say Cam's contract was a bad one as well. KKs production in 2017 was good and except for the drop in sacks, his tackles were not far off in 2018.  And of course he lost the whole 2019 to injury. But he still has 2 years left and I expect with Brown going full out he will either kick into high gear and cause havoc or pale in the comparison between the two  Was he a reflection of the team failure or a major culprit? As for Paradis, anyone who knew about his injury and the fact he was still rehabbing the injury going into training camp wouldn't have expected much more than what happened. I said when he was signed that it was more a 2 year deal for 2020 and 2021. Anything we got out of him in 2019 was a bonus. You know he got embarrassed with his lower body strength weakness. I bet he is working hard as we speak to correct it now that he can have an off-season conditioning program. With Brady running more of a zone blocking scheme it should play to what he is most familiar with. No clue on the play calling and protections. 

But has he made mistakes? In retrospect they were the wrong decision but anyone can make the right choice in retrospect.  I  judge it more along the lines of whether it was an obvious mistake that anyone could clearly see was  a bad call and he still made it. Has he done that since he came back? Not many. Is he still too loyal at times like he was to Rivera Yeah. Might he give an extension to Olsen who couldn't stay healthy. Yeah. Like most GMs some of his decisions turn out great and others don't.  I don't think extending Olsen was a bad idea at the time anymore than I think Kuechly's contract was a mistake because he retired 2 years early and cost us a lot of dead money. And lastly in the draft it was Rhule being clear what he wanted and Hurney executing the draft to get him his players. Just like since 2017 he got Rivera the players he wanted. Gaulden was definitely a Rivera pick not a Hurney who wanted speed and athleticism. 

[jfra78]

6 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So let's look at your points. Was the Short contract a bad one? I don't think so unless you say Cam's contract was a bad one as well. KKs production in 2017 was good and except for the drop in sacks, his tackles were not far off in 2018.  And of course he lost the whole 2019 to injury. But he still has 2 years left and I expect with Brown going full out he will either kick into high gear and cause havoc or pale in the comparison between the two  Was he a reflection of the team failure or a major culprit? As for Paradis, anyone who knew about his injury and the fact he was still rehabbing the injury going into training camp wouldn't have expected much more than what happened. I said when he was signed that it was more a 2 year deal for 2020 and 2021. Anything we got out of him in 2019 was a bonus. You know he got embarrassed with his lower body strength weakness. I bet he is working hard as we speak to correct it now that he can have an off-season conditioning program. With Brady running more of a zone blocking scheme it should play to what he is most familiar with. No clue on the play calling and protections. 

But has he made mistakes? In retrospect they were the wrong decision but anyone can make the right choice in retrospect.  I  judge it more along the lines of whether it was an obvious mistake that anyone could clearly see was  a bad call and he still made it. Has he done that since he came back? Not many. Is he still too loyal at times like he was to Rivera Yeah. Might he give an extension to Olsen who couldn't stay healthy. Yeah. Like most GMs some of his decisions turn out great and others don't.  I don't think extending Olsen was a bad idea at the time anymore than I think Kuechly's contract was a mistake because he retired 2 years early and cost us a lot of dead money. And lastly in the draft it was Rhule being clear what he wanted and Hurney executing the draft to get him his players. Just like since 2017 he got Rivera the players he wanted. Gaulden was definitely a Rivera pick not a Hurney who wanted speed and athleticism. 

Also Grier was a Turner pick