Long-time, Hurney hater here. but...

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Nah. Not everyone. Just guys like you.

Plus, you know as well as I do that I'm not the only one who sees through your schtick. You did the same thing with Shula and people pegged you for that too.

Again you are totally off base with your evaluation or analysis. Like often when you stray from facts to opinion.

And don't act as if others haven't called you down for your negative extreme posts. 

And I still think Shula wasn't nearly as bad as you and other postulated but as I have said since he left, I have no interest in debating a coach who is no longer here or part of the team. That is ancient history.

[panthers55]

Just now, Waldo said:

Shake your pompoms. I'm sure it will make a difference in 13 years of history and facts. 

Unlike you I believe people can and do change which would be expected since enabling the change process is what I do for a living. 

[Waldo]

9 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Unlike you I believe people can and do change which would be expected since enabling the change process is what I do for a living. 

 13 years. I'm not try to put a hit out on him. It's time to go in a different direction. Let him go out on top and it's a win-win. 

[RASTAN66]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

 If credit goes to Rhule, credit goes to Marty for listening.  If credit goes to Marty for finding the right players (as we seem to have done), credit goes to Rhule for his communication.  The bottom line--it seems to have worked. 

Credit goes to Tepper for putting into place a system (and proper personnel) that works.

The Firm is just getting warmed up, gonna be fun to watch!

Hurndog is here for the long haul, if Tepper was going to exit him he would have done so long ago.

[Matthias]

I saw this as more of a Rhule draft than a Hurney draft.

[panthers55]

15 minutes ago, Waldo said:

 13 years. I'm not try to put a hit out on him. It's time to go in a different direction. Let him go out on top and it's a win-win. 

Give it time and he will float off into the sunset. Plus Tepper apparently still thinks he needs him around for awhile 

[RumHam]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

You abandon him NOW?  After (arguably) the best draft in Panther history?  But you liked him up to now?  (Not what you said, but am I wrong?)

I am just stirring the pot to see if attitudes changed.  Mr. Scot--negative--but he has not changed his socks in several months--I assume.

 

How in the hell do you say that? You literally have no idea. You probably said the same thing last year and all those guys might not even be on the team after this year. Hurney gtfo

[Mr. Scot]

Side Note: For the record, I'm fairly certain MHS is just sh-tposting and laughing at the reactions.

[jfra78]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Side Note: For the record, I'm fairly certain MHS is just sh-tposting and laughing at the reactions.

Oh he is def stirring the pot

[onmyown]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Wouldn't that be on the scouting department to help him do that? Do you think Hurney has the time to do the legwork himself or relies on his people.

Who has he thrown money to since he came back ?

Didn’t he extended KK? He singed Paradis. Also overpaid Shaq imo. And I can’t remember timelines but didn’t he extend Olsen and TD? When they (more Olsen than TD) was clearly done? And now Olsen is gone a after sitting on the bench for two years still being paid? Ryan Kalil was also a worthless extension, forgot if it was him or Gettle.

 Not saying he is flaming like his first stint but he’s still making mistakes. Scouting deserves blame too but I think Hurney has the ultimate say and responsibility. No one likes the boss blaming the shitty employees he hires (not saying Hurney hires them just a metaphor).

For the record I don’t do the whole ‘since he’s been back from being fired the first time’ scenario because that’s kind of being unrealistic from an employment standpoint, I mean, we’d all look a lot better if we were given multiple breaks/chances. And 99% of us probably wouldn’t get multiple chances after years of fuging up, let alone a decade. But personally I view success by the entire scope of things, not sectioned out timelines.

But let me ask you this, what do you think his faults have been?

Because if you can’t name any, or justify moves that have gone south, look at only a specific timeline, or say others are to blame than you’re not being objective and your viewpoint is meaningless. I’ve already said I’m pretty happy with his drafts, although this one without boneheaded moves smells more like Rhule than Hurney to me, and then pointed out what I’m not happy with.
 

Overall, Hurney has shown he does not have the Patriot/Steeler/Eagle finesse like he thinks he does to build an entire team from his drafts alone,  and his depth building is god awful - so I just don’t think he will be the one to build a consistent winner like Tep wants.

[jfra78]

13 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Didn’t he extended KK? He singed Paradis. Also overpaid Shaq imo. Not saying he is flaming like his first stint but he’s still making mistakes. I think Hurney he the ultimate say.

For the record I don’t do the whole ‘since he’s been back from being fired the first time’ scenario because that’s kind of being unrealistic from an employment standpoint, I mean, we’d all look a lot better if we were given multiple breaks/chances. But personally I view success by the entire scope of things, not sectioned out timelines.

But let me ask you this, what do you think his faults have been?

Because if you can’t name any, or justify moves that have gone south, or say others are to blame than you’re not being objective and your viewpoint is meaningless.

Extending KK was the right move as was Shaq, just because you dont like it doesn't mean it was wrong.  Paradis had a bad year, but we lost a center and he went out and got what most believed was the best one available in FA.  

[jfra78]

17 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Didn’t he extended KK? He singed Paradis. Also overpaid Shaq imo. And I can’t remember timelines but didn’t he extend Olsen and TD? When they (more Olsen than TD) was clearly done? And now Olsen is gone a after sitting on the bench for two years still being paid? Ryan Kalil was also a worthless extension, forgot if it was him or Gettle.

 Not saying he is flaming like his first stint but he’s still making mistakes. Scouting deserves blame too but I think Hurney has the ultimate say and responsibility. No one likes the boss blaming the shitty employees he hires (not saying Hurney hires them just a metaphor).

For the record I don’t do the whole ‘since he’s been back from being fired the first time’ scenario because that’s kind of being unrealistic from an employment standpoint, I mean, we’d all look a lot better if we were given multiple breaks/chances. And 99% of us probably wouldn’t get multiple chances after years of fuging up, let alone a decade. But personally I view success by the entire scope of things, not sectioned out timelines.

But let me ask you this, what do you think his faults have been?

Because if you can’t name any, or justify moves that have gone south, look at only a specific timeline, or say others are to blame than you’re not being objective and your viewpoint is meaningless. I’ve already said I’m pretty happy with his drafts, although this one without boneheaded moves smells more like Rhule than Hurney to me, and then pointed out what I’m not happy with.
 

Overall, Hurney has shown he does not have the Patriot/Steeler/Eagle finesse like he thinks he does to build an entire team from his drafts alone,  and his depth building is god awful - so I just don’t think he will be the one to build a consistent winner like Tep wants.

Also Hurney didn't extend Short, Gettleman did.

[onmyown]

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Extending KK was the right move as was Shaq, just because you dont like it doesn't mean it was wrong.  Paradis had a bad year, but we lost a center and he went out and got what most believed was the best one available in FA.  

Whether I like it or not was the result of the outcome not the move itself. KK was overpaid, google has plenty of articles of specifically why. And the results of his play before injury and extension did not match his salary compared to other players making the same money he did. This stuff is on paper.

Shaq is yet to be seen because there is no outcome yet. I admit it’s premature to say he was given to much, but it feels like it. Will just have to wait and see.

Paradis was coming off a serious injury as a big guy. Again it wasn’t the move, it’s the outcome. Which is not good, and due to him still having lingering issues at the end of 2019 there is nothing on paper that makes me happy about this signing and can only see it as a fail. He’s the 8th highest paid center in the NFL. The outcome reflects it was a poor choice.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Also Hurney didn't extend Short, Gettleman did.

Hurney restructured him.after the extension.