Long-time, Hurney hater here. but...

[Toomers]

14 hours ago, Basbear said:

Its true. The steelers GM was talked about coming here, so I looked up his draft record....... I was very whellem'd. Look at Ozzie Newsome, who many call a draft god and form 2009-2013 its Marty-ish. I have learned long ago, elite QBs just do soo much. Like cover up for terrible draft classes. Ben, Prime Joe Flaco, Russ, Tom Brady etc ALL covered up those terrible draft classes FOR years. Still Marty has more issues than missing on rounds 2-7, his trading and free agent signing history is overall poor too. Even paying your own players, he seemed to always over-pay too. When was the last super bargain that worked out for Marty? Jakes first contract is the best I got.

This is something in Martys defense, he took over a 1-15 team and had them in the superbowl in two years. I do feel like jerry richardson put pressure on him and for a few of the mistakes played a role in them too. Example; forcing him to have back-to-back winning season at any cost. The Peppers handling was a giant fugup and it was made a LOT worse by the trade up for everette brown. 

Just like many things I do in life, I agree hes done better AND he needs to be replaced. 

  Steelers fans don’t have to focus on the GMs specific duties. One losing season in 20 years will build enough confidence to miss some picks. After which they went 15-1 and then won a SB when Ben was far from elite. The GM has never put a team together that earned a top 10 pick. Hurney has produced 3 top(or bottom) 10  seasons, in his last 5. That’s pathetic. 
 

 And Newsome won a SB with Trent Dilfer. Along with Flacco never being elite, that theory is flawed. 

  

[Waldo]

26 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Yea, good GMs build teams in the coaches image. That's why the draft looks different, plain and simple

I would say good GMs also go against the coaches when they are being idiots. Hurney didn't do that last year and he didn't need to do it this year from anything we have seen.

Add in good GMs don't make bad contracts after bad contracts without learning. Hurney has been consistently below .500, in record and in production as a GM. His best attribute is survivability which isn't useful on the football side sadly because if it was we would have trophies over his 13 years. 

[panther4life]

1 hour ago, Ricky Spanish said:

If the ONLY thing we had to bitch about with Hurney was that he missed on draft picks then I'd say people are complaining too much but the fact of the matter is he hasn't put together a winning team since 2008, he fuged up so many contracts that put us in cap hell for years, traded away future draft capital for bust players that hurt us for years, and signs terrible vet FAs that are overpaid and underperform.

It's funny that the same people defending Hurney for only doing what his coaches ask would still poo on Gettleman when he had the same "inept" coach and still found the right JAGs that succeeded under Rivera. Gettleman went dumpster diving and we went to the playoffs 4/5 years. Hurney went out and splurged on overpriced vets and we get a top 10 pick. Maybe not being a yes man and actually having an understanding of the game on a fundamental level allows a GM to provide alternatives to a coach that might allow him to succeed.

Hurney is not a good GM and you people that still want to give him a chance after all these years of incompetence because we "could do worse" when we had a GM that had more success in a 5 year span than Hurney ever did infuriate me.

Get. Rid. Of. Him.

Loo If Gettleman was so good, why hasn’t he had the repeated success in NY? What’s different? He’s Had plenty of draft capital. Giants weren’t in any cap hell that he didn’t create on his own. 

Also Gettleman still never posted back to back winning seasons, plus he had the benefit of a healthy Cam his whole time here.
 

 

[RASTAN66]

18 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Hurney's contract runs out after the current season, and I wouldn't bet on David Tepper letting him work without a contract like Jerry Richardson did.

Why not?

What does Tepper have to lose by letting Hurndog continue to work sans contract? 

[Ricky Spanish]

3 hours ago, panther4life said:

Loo If Gettleman was so good, why hasn’t he had the repeated success in NY? What’s different? He’s Had plenty of draft capital. Giants weren’t in any cap hell that he didn’t create on his own. 

Also Gettleman still never posted back to back winning seasons, plus he had the benefit of a healthy Cam his whole time here.
 

 

I don't think you're very familiar with what the Giants have been through recently. Terrible roster with bloated contracts and a bad cap situation along with an owner that wanted so badly for Eli to be good again he made them pay him one last time on his way out the door. Gettleman first year he was told to try and win it all again with Eli one last time. That's why they shelled out that contract to OBJ and why they spent the #2 pick on barkey. When it was apparent that the wheels had fallen off, it was tank and clear bad contracts time. That's why they traded OBJ, drafted Jones, traded Vernon and got rid of Jenkins and a few others. Do not be surprised to see the Giants be competitive this season, especially in a division as weak as the NFC East. They've added a ton of help across both lines which should provide marked improvement, as well as a young up and coming coach.

Since hurney came back, we have only gotten worse every year as he tries his damnedest to make us better in the short term. At least you can tell the Giants have a plan. We're letting some dingus try and fix what he broke.

[MasterAwesome]

22 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I don't think you're very familiar with what the Giants have been through recently. Terrible roster with bloated contracts and a bad cap situation along with an owner that wanted so badly for Eli to be good again he made them pay him one last time on his way out the door. Gettleman first year he was told to try and win it all again with Eli one last time. That's why they shelled out that contract to OBJ and why they spent the #2 pick on barkey. When it was apparent that the wheels had fallen off, it was tank and clear bad contracts time. That's why they traded OBJ, drafted Jones, traded Vernon and got rid of Jenkins and a few others. Do not be surprised to see the Giants be competitive this season, especially in a division as weak as the NFC East. They've added a ton of help across both lines which should provide marked improvement, as well as a young up and coming coach.

Since hurney came back, we have only gotten worse every year as he tries his damnedest to make us better in the short term. At least you can tell the Giants have a plan. We're letting some dingus try and fix what he broke.

This is an example of a narrative...

It’s all about wins/losses, except not for Gettleman...let’s come up with a laundry list of excuses as to why he’s turned the Giants into a bottom-dweller. No excuses for Hurney doing what JR wanted the first go around, but Gettleman sucked his first couple seasons cause he was just doing what the owner wanted...guess Gettleman is just a Yes Man too.

If his strategy was “tank and clear bad contracts”, why did he trade a 3rd and a 5th for Leonard Williams on the last year of his contract? Why make Nate Solder the highest paid tackle in the league in FA last year?

[panthers55]

Everyone in this Hurney debate whether about his recent record or whether he was better or worse than Gettleman know that the issue has been Cam. When Csm was healthy we made the playoffs and when he wasn't we struggled. Gettleman's success was finding cheap guys that plugged holes and helped with the cap. Gettleman's issue was also he shuffled players like Madden and we got off to several slow starts. Since Hurney has come back he has given us the players to compete but Cam hasn't been healthy. Plain and simple. Yeah the buck stops with Hurney but the issue has been Cam's health and everyone knows it.

[Mr. Scot]

47 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Everyone in this Hurney debate whether about his recent record or whether he was better or worse than Gettleman know that the issue has been Cam. When Csm was healthy we made the playoffs and when he wasn't we struggled. Gettleman's success was finding cheap guys that plugged holes and helped with the cap. Gettleman's issue was also he shuffled players like Madden and we got off to several slow starts. Since Hurney has come back he has given us the players to compete but Cam hasn't been healthy. Plain and simple. Yeah the bbuck stops with him but the issue has been Cam's health and everyone knows it.

So what was the primary excuse for 2002 to 2012?

(remember folks, it's everybody's fault but Marty's)

[Car123]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So what was the primary excuse for 2002 to 2012?

(remember folks, it's everybody's fault but Marty's)

2002 - Turned a 1-15 team into a very competitive 7-9 team. Started learning how to win.

2003 - Super Bowl appearance 

2004 - Steve Smith, Stephen Davis, Kris Jenkins, DeShaun Foster. Literally our best players missed the majority of the season. Started 1-7, finished 7-9.

2005 - NFC Championship appearance

2006 - Bad season.

2007 - After a hot start, Delhomme went down and needed Tommy John surgery. Missed 13 games.

2008 - Great team. Would have gone to the super bowl if not for Delhomme’s injured arm.

2009 - Disappointing season. The end of Delhomme.

2010 - Terrible season. We desperately needed a franchise quarterback. Drafted the best quarterback from a poor class.

2011 - We found a franchise quarterback in Cam. Rarely do rookie quarterbacks lead their team to the playoffs.

2012 - Cam and Rivera still learning. Chud turned to poo. Rivera later transformed into Riverboat Ron. Annexation of Puerto Rico. We finished very strong that year. No surprise we made the playoffs the following season.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Car123 said:

2002 - Turned a 1-15 team into a very competitive 7-9 team. Started learning how to win.

2003 - Super Bowl appearance 

2004 - Steve Smith, Stephen Davis, Kris Jenkins, DeShaun Foster. Literally our best players missed the majority of the season. Started 1-7, finished 7-9.

2005 - NFC Championship appearance

2006 - Bad season.

2007 - After a hot start, Delhomme went down and needed Tommy John surgery. Missed 13 games.

2008 - Great team. Would have gone to the super bowl if not for Delhomme’s injured arm.

2009 - Disappointing season. The end of Delhomme.

2010 - Terrible season. We desperately needed a franchise quarterback. Drafted the best quarterback from a poor class.

2011 - We found a franchise quarterback in Cam. Rarely do rookie quarterbacks lead their team to the playoffs.

2012 - Cam and Rivera still learning. Chud turned to poo. Rivera later transformed into Riverboat Ron. Annexation of Puerto Rico. We finished very strong that year. No surprise we made the playoffs the following season.

thats..................certainly one way to look at things

[MasterAwesome]

23 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So what was the primary excuse for 2002 to 2012?

(remember folks, it's everybody's fault but Marty's)

Huddle logic...

Huddle: “JR was a shitty owner, Fox was a shitty coach, Rivera was a shitty coach. JR was constantly meddling in operational affairs, Rivera and Fox were terrible at developing players, instead opting to let rookies rot on the bench and playing vets instead. Their conservative game management style constantly saw us squandering big leads late in the game”.

Also Huddle: “Gosh why wasn’t Marty more successful?!”

[Happy Panther]

As long as everything isn't hyperbole then he ain't the worst and he ain't the best. When he does go it will be the usual 3 weeks of "see ya trash!."

Then one day we will have a new coach and GM to dump on.

 

 

[Toomers]

8 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Huddle logic...

Huddle: “JR was a shitty owner, Fox was a shitty coach, Rivera was a shitty coach. JR was constantly meddling in operational affairs, Rivera and Fox were terrible at developing players, instead opting to let rookies rot on the bench and playing vets instead. Their conservative game management style constantly saw us squandering big leads late in the game”.

Also Huddle: “Gosh why wasn’t Marty more successful?!”

  It could have something to do with the FACT that another GM went 51-28-1 with 4 playoff appearances withe same shitty owner and coach. More playoff teams for the franchise than the others 13 years combined  So what happened? Do Fox, Rivera, JR get all the credit for any good moves that Hurney supposedly made? All his picks...good and bad. Where’s the line? 
 

   That shitty coach got another job rather quickly. How long did it take for another team to hire Hurney? Still waiting on that. New owner for two years and the team has turned into a dumpster fire. But it’s not his fault. It’s Fox, or JR, or whoever’s turn it is to be scapegoat. 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

So what was the primary excuse for 2002 to 2012?

(remember folks, it's everybody's fault but Marty's)

He was learning in the job and did some good things and some awful ones. At the end of his first term he deserved to be fired. I was surely on that bandwagon. And I wasn't exactly crazy about his return. But after hearing him admit his mistakes and say he learned quite a bit from watching Gettleman and interviewing  coaches and GMs on his show,vI kept an open mind. .So I decided to see if he had changed and for the most part have been satisfied with many aspects since  this time. Obviously when your franchise QB goes down it is rough. For any franchise really  but especially when our system was tailored to Cam and any backup wouldn't be good enough to run it. So we have sucked. Should Marty have brought in a better backup? Yep. 

(Remember folks-  the truth is usually in the middle not in the extremes as folks who like to argue try and paint others)