Long-time, Hurney hater here. but...

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Even blind pigs occasionally find acorns. Enjoy the rare success.

You're not that important, dude 

[panthers55]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

It's been said before that Panther fans seem conditioned to accept mediocrity as being good enough.

Some of the responses in this thread say a lot about that.

No one is accepting mediocrity as if we had a choice in the matter. That whole argument is stupid no matter how frequently it gets churned here. As fans of the franchise many of us support the team and don't spent hours every day bitching and complaining like you. How much has your refusal to accept mediocrity changed what happens on the field? Not a damn thing. So spare me the dramatics. No one has power here and what we think has no bearing on the team or what happens so get off the high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're not that important, dude 

What kind of ignorant response is that about something that wasn't said. Again classic Scot. Deflect and attack.

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

What kind of ignorant response is that about something that wasn't said. Again classic Scot. Deflect and attack.

It's a response to your arrogant "enjoy the rare success" comment. Silly in that beating you in a debate isn't some big accomplishment worth celebrating.

You're not as important as you think you are, and winning a debate with you isn't all that difficult (plenty of people do it regularly).

I get that you want to be thought of as a big deal - hence why you talk yourself up so much - but I just don't care.

It's just a message board.

[panthers55]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's a response to your arrogant "enjoy the rare success" comment. Silly in that beating you in a debate isn't some big accomplishment worth celebrating.

You're not as important as you think you are, and winning a debate with you isn't all that difficult (plenty of people do it regularly).

I get that you want to be thought of as a big deal - hence why you talk yourself up so much - but I just don't care.

It's just a message board.

Maybe that is true for some of us but given you stay on here for hours every day and take huge offense at anyone who disagrees I would say this appears to be your life. Or you treat any disagreements as life or death.

This is a diversion from real life for me not an avocation like you. And I don't keep count of winning or losing as if it was a contest or my ego was tied  up in it. Unlike you I have a life and don't need to prop up my ego on websites like you do.  If you don't care,  why are your posts in the tens of thousands and why do you live on here and several other sites every day  Sounds like you again are projecting your own thoughts and issues on me.  Some of us find importance in what we do for a living and family not trying to win  internet dust ups like  you.  Do you ever let it go and not try to get in the last word?  Let's see.   

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Maybe that is true for some of us but given you stay on here for hours every day and take huge offense at anyone who disagrees I would say this appears to be your life. Or you treat any disagreements as life or death.

This is a diversion from real life for me not an avocation like you. And I don't keep count of winning or losing as if it was a contest or my ego was tied  up in it. Unlike you I have a life and don't need to prop up my ego on websites like you do.  If you don't care,  why are your posts in the tens of thousands and why do you live on here and several other sites every day  Sounds like you again are projecting your own thoughts and issues on me.  Some of us find importance in what we do for a living and family not trying to win  internet dust ups like  you.  Do you ever let it go and not try to get in the last word?  Let's see.   

Aaahhh, the irony 

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

I've said this many times.

Would you be OK if your wife was just OK?  I mean, not awful...she won't cut your penis off in the night....but certainly not a good wife, or even a great wife.

Me?  Nah, I'm out, take half my stuff....don't care....I'm not going to settle fore mediocrity in my life.  I'm going to find a better person for me, just like I prefer a better GM for the Panthers.

I mean, if we’re continuing with this analogy...if someone said “Hey we’ve got this potentially better wife for you, but there’s a 10% chance this one WILL cut your penis off during the night”...I’d say “Hm, maybe my wife ain’t so bad after all”. I might take my chances.

But hey, I do appreciate the value in analogies and I think you’re close to a good one but I’m gonna tweak it a bit. A GM and a head coach are, for all intents and purposes, very much like a marriage. You can’t have a successful marriage if one partner is deadweight.

 Let’s say Hurney has had 2 failed marriages so far, 3 failed marriages if you include him getting divorced and remarried to Rivera briefly. You could look at him and say “Damn, he is damaged goods...two failed marriages and no one wanted him after his second divorce, so she even had to go crawling back to his second husband, only to get yet another divorce”. But wait a second...let’s look at those marriages more closely. Let’s say Hurney was married to a crackhead and an abusive lowlife...then are those failed marriages on him?  Nobody evaluates a husband and wife as individuals outside of their unique holy matrimony. You’re not a flat out bad wife or good wife, you’re a bad wife or good wife within the confines of a specific marriage. Saying Hurney + Rhule is going to suck because Hurney + Ron and Hurney + Fox sucked is very surface-level, primitive analysis.
 

I’m up for keeping Hurney on a short leash, but I think he deserves a chance to prove his value in his new partnership with Rhule. It’s hard for me to reconcile how people say Fox and Rivera were terrible and incompetent and not rationalize how that could impact Hurney’s performance, when his job is to compile a roster who fits their vision. Then these same people are astounded as to how a draft, on paper at least, coincidentally looks so much better when a new head coach is hired. Wow...I wonder if there’s a link?

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

It's been said before that Panther fans seem conditioned to accept mediocrity as being good enough.

Some of the responses in this thread say a lot about that.

You know what franchise has never settled for mediocrity? The Browns...let’s build our model after them and just swap out coaches and/or GMs every year until we get it right! Easy peasy.

[Khyber53]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

More likely based on what, exactly?

(besides your opinion and/or fear of change)

The problem with your "sticking with Rivera until it was obvious" is that it was obvious to a lot of us long before it was obvious to you. The same is apparently true with Marty Hurney.

You want to be an optimist? That's fine. But sticking with somebody that's been bad for a long time just because you optimistically hope they'll somehow miraculously get better isn't any way to run a football team. Imagine if we'd applied that philosophy to Jimmy Clausen.

I'll ask you the same question I asked about Rivera: How many more years would it take for you to make a decision? Rivera had nine. Marty's had fourteen. What's the threshold? Twenty? Thirty? What?

You got me man, I give. I don't want to keep being chased around the workbench until your weasel goes pop.

Take the win.

 

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

You got me man, I give. I don't want to keep being chased around the workbench until your weasel goes pop.

Take the win.

I just pointed out the fallacy of your position, dude.

We had the same discussion with Rivera. You wanted to give him more time. I pointed out that he'd already had several years and we pretty much knew what he was. At this point, Hurney's had even more time than Rivera did.

And sorry, but a draft haul that a group of fans like a week later is not evidence that things have gotten better. You're going to find fans that loved the draft every single year, including some of the worst drafts we've had.

Offering forgiveness seventy times seven times is a good principal for personal relationships. For running a business (or a sports team)? Not so much.

Marty's had his chance...several of them, in fact. He doesn't need any more.

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

I just pointed out the fallacy of your position, dude.

We had the same discussion with Rivera. You wanted to give him more time. I pointed out that he'd already had several years and we pretty much knew what he was. At this point, Hurney's had even more time than Rivera did.

And sorry, but a draft haul that a group of fans like a week later is not evidence that things have gotten better. You're going to find fans that loved the draft every single year, including some of the worst drafts we've had.

Offering forgiveness seventy times seven times is a good principal for personal relationships. For running a business (or a sports team)? Not so much.

Marty's had his chance...several of them, in fact. He doesn't need any more.

Maybe not, but you and I have nothing to do with that decision.  Those who do seem to love him. So I guess we will get to bitch back and forth about it for years to come.

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Maybe not, but you and I have nothing to do with that decision.  Those who do seem to love him. So I guess we will get to bitch back and forth about it for years to come.

Only if he's extended.

Hurney's contract runs out after the current season, and I wouldn't bet on David Tepper letting him work without a contract like Jerry Richardson did.

Also worth remembering that they've already talked about grooming the Assistant GM that we have yet to hire to be his replacement.

[X-Clown]

This thread reminds me of the thread that suggested we give Kyle Allen an extension after his game against Arizona

[Zithers2]

The amount of people taking the bait on this draft class is depressing. Thirteen years, three playoff appearances. The dude is garbage fuging GM. Brown will probably pan out like every other first rounder he's had while everyone else flops and we'll toil in mediocrity until he's gone since we have too much high end talent but too much awful depth to be a serious contender or truly bad.