Long-time, Hurney hater here. but...

[MHS831]

After reading much of this thread (not all of it--some posters are so bad I just skip them)  I have a few points and some follow up questions:

1.  It seems TRUST is a key issue with Hurney.  Opponents do not want to contain the cancer, they want it gone--where it is no longer a threat.  They see Marty as being "in remission," and do not consider that as a reason for a parade.  Many who are asking, "Is Hurney that bad?  We have Rhule to help direct him and a capologist to give him an allowance as opposed to giving him the credit card--maybe this is a winning formula.

Q:  If you have to box up your GM to get good players and to make good deals, is that GM right for the organization?  Is that a fair description of what is happening?  What is Marty's skillset--what about him gives us an advantage? a disadvantage?  Do the Panthers now have good chemistry or was Marty merely transitional? 

 

 

 

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

I loved our draft, and I've long said Hurney 2.0 IS getting the job done in spite of what people here refuse to acknowledge as bad coaching being the issue.  Dude was pulling in pro bowlers left and right at a great price to try to build a 3-4 defense on the fly and Rivera simply did not coach his guys up properly.  

All of that being said, I'm pretty sure Hurney is just happy he has a job right now.  Way too early to talk extension.  I'm starting to see little glimpses of Hurney 1.0 again and it scares me.  The Shaq and CMC contracts stick out in my head.

Supposedly there is a apologist to help with these contracts, so can't pin the CMC contract on Hurney

[Mr. Scot]

Not sure why some folks think we created a new position for Samir Suleiman. We didn't. He took Rob Rogers old job when Rogers followed Rivera to Washington.

 

[panthers55]

35 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not sure why some folks think we created a new position for Samir Suleiman. We didn't. He took Rob Rogers old job when Rogers followed Rivera to Washington.

 

Rob Rogers changed titles and expanded his duties in 2019. Now they have broken out the position to give Suleiman the contracts and negotiations  piece and a new position for Rajack who is Director of Football Analytics. Bringing in more folks and redistributing duties to help everyone do their best and not have to be stretched thin. All that helps Hurney focus on his strengths and let's others do what they do best. The way good organizations run. 

https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-announce-changes-to-scouting-and-football-operations-staff

[CPF4LIFE]

3 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

I loved our draft, and I've long said Hurney 2.0 IS getting the job done in spite of what people here refuse to acknowledge as bad coaching being the issue.  Dude was pulling in pro bowlers left and right at a great price to try to build a 3-4 defense on the fly and Rivera simply did not coach his guys up properly.  

All of that being said, I'm pretty sure Hurney is just happy he has a job right now.  Way too early to talk extension.  I'm starting to see little glimpses of Hurney 1.0 again and it scares me.  The Shaq and CMC contracts stick out in my head.

The Shaq and CMC contracts were dammed if you do damned if you dont. If we dont resign shaq that leaves a glaring whole at LB and probably changes the whole draft and looks like FA wasnt a option for fix. Cmc gets no new deal and he is probably holding out and a large chunk of the fanbase is ready to riot or storm BOA as if they werent pissesd enough already over the off season. It always gonna be fans on both sides of the fence of decisions. And comin from someone who didnt want to pay a RB either i thought the Cmc contract wasnt as bad as i thought it was gonna be.

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

I loved our draft, and I've long said Hurney 2.0 IS getting the job done in spite of what people here refuse to acknowledge as bad coaching being the issue.  Dude was pulling in pro bowlers left and right at a great price to try to build a 3-4 defense on the fly and Rivera simply did not coach his guys up properly.  

All of that being said, I'm pretty sure Hurney is just happy he has a job right now.  Way too early to talk extension.  I'm starting to see little glimpses of Hurney 1.0 again and it scares me.  The Shaq and CMC contracts stick out in my head.

Supposedly Suleiman negotiates and creates contracts under Hurney's supervision. I suspect that Tepper also signs off on contracts as well.

[Mr. Scot]

40 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Rob Rogers changed titles and expanded his duties in 2019. Now they have broken out the position to give Suleiman the contracts and negotiations  piece and a new position for Rajack who is Director of Football Analytics. Bringing in more folks and redistributing duties to help everyone do their best and not have to be stretched thin. All that helps Hurney focus on his strengths and let's others do what they do best. The way good organizations run. 

https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-announce-changes-to-scouting-and-football-operations-staff

From the article you linked...

"Rob will continue to handle player finance and contracts, and manage the salary cap, while overseeing a football analytics department that we are in the process of implementing," Hurney said.

You said we didn't have a capologist before Suleiman. I told you it was Rogers. Your own link confirms you were wrong.

Nice work.

[thefuzz]

14 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

Here's your repeated phrasing/talking point, but to explain your rationale this time:

"Hurney is simply mediocre...I mean sure, we could fire him and potentially hire the most incompetent GM who could gut our entire roster and set us years back from even thinking about competing, but at least we could say we didn't settle for mediocrity".

As dismissive as you like to act, "could be worse" is actually a very real concern that the owner of a multi-billion dollar investment has to consider.  It's very easy to sit at home from your couch with absolutely nothing to lose and scream obscenities at your TV and computer about the management decisions of the team, but there's something called "risk analysis" that the real world operates in.  I know that is probably a foreign concept to you, but I assure you it is not to Tepper.  He has been doing it his entire career on his way to a multi-billion dollar fortune.  Meanwhile your idea of risk analysis is whether you should order that extra burrito from Chipotle.

I've said this many times.

Would you be OK if your wife was just OK?  I mean, not awful...she won't cut your penis off in the night....but certainly not a good wife, or even a great wife.

Me?  Nah, I'm out, take half my stuff....don't care....I'm not going to settle fore mediocrity in my life.  I'm going to find a better person for me, just like I prefer a better GM for the Panthers.

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

From the article you linked...

"Rob will continue to handle player finance and contracts, and manage the salary cap, while overseeing a football analytics department that we are in the process of implementing," Hurney said.

You said we didn't have a capologist before Suleiman. I told you it was Rogers. Your own link confirms you were wrong.

Nice work.

I was wrong about not having one. I  thought he was newly assigned and not promoted to additional duties. But the point remains that Tepper had done a good job specifying roles and helping everyone do what they do best and give Hurney additional support which was the point. I don't mind admitting I was wrong. You should try it sometimes unless you are never wrong.   LOL

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I was wrong about not having one. I  thought he was newly assigned and not promoted to additional duties. But the point remains that Tepper had done a good job specifying roles and helping everyone do what they do best and give Hurney additional support which was the point. I don't mind admitting I was wrong. You should try it sometimes unless you are never wrong.   LOL

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[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

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Classic Scot. Deflect and avoid the point rather than admitting they can and are wrong on occasion. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Classic Scot. Deflect and avoid the point rather than admitting they can and are wrong on occasion. 

Nah.

I'm fine with admitting I'm wrong on occasion.

I just don't happen to be wrong on this one.

[Mr. Scot]

19 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I've said this many times.

Would you be OK if your wife was just OK?  I mean, not awful...she won't cut your penis off in the night....but certainly not a good wife, or even a great wife.

Me?  Nah, I'm out, take half my stuff....don't care....I'm not going to settle fore mediocrity in my life.  I'm going to find a better person for me, just like I prefer a better GM for the Panthers.

Pretty much.

It's been said before that Panther fans seem conditioned to accept mediocrity as being good enough.

Some of the responses in this thread say a lot about that.

[panthers55]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Nah.

I'm fine with admitting I'm wrong on occasion.

I just don't happen to be wrong on this one.

Even blind pigs occasionally find acorns. Enjoy the rare success.