Most 1st Team All-Pros Drafted Since 2000

[Madwolf]

2 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

And why Mike Shula was immediately hired as OC of the Giants after getting fired here.  Those people who use the league's lack of interest in Hurney as ammunition against him must also hold the belief that Rivera was a great coach and Shula was a great offensive coordinator due to them being swept up immediately by another team after their firing.  Or...like you said...that there's a bad-faith narrative at play.

And to take that one step further, how many coaching gigs did Norv Turner get?

He went out to Washington, gets fired. Then goes out to Oakland, gets fired, and you think no one would want him as the HC after that, but nope, San Diego is like, THAT'S OUR GUY! Why would we want to go 14-2 and have a chance at the Super Bowl every year?!?! Crazy talk! Bring on just bellow career average Norv Turner!

And guess what happened?

[Madwolf]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Marty Hurney gets full time job

When the Panthers got off to a 1-5 start in 2012, Hurney and Richardson mutually agreed to part ways, a move that might have saved Rivera’s job – and certainly saved the job of one or more of Rivera’s assistants.

While Carolina became a perennial playoff team under Rivera and Gettleman, the Panthers did so behind the contributions of many of the players Hurney drafted (Cam Newton, Ryan Kalil, Jonathan Stewart, Luke Kuechly, Thomas Davis, Josh Norman).

Meanwhile, Hurney bought a sports talk station in Charlotte, got remarried, started a new family and hoped for chance to get back in the business.

That opportunity came in July, a week before the Panthers reported to Spartanburg.

Marty Hurney's unusual path and unique story

Hurney said he “resigned” to probably not getting another GM chance after five years out. I think it’s obvious that one of the things he did well in his absence is keep a very low profile. He never criticized Gettleman. He never took too much (or any) praise for drafting Julius Peppers, Newton or Kuechly. When the Panthers got to the Super Bowl 25 months ago, you didn’t see stories with Hurney taking a bow for anything.

That fits well in the Panthers’ understated organization. And so it was easy for Richardson to reach back into his past after five years and ask Hurney to be his caretaker last July. That’s probably the biggest reason why Hurney is back, and back in power: He never burned a bridge, and was dutifully quiet in his time out of football. He knew, whether it be in Carolina or somewhere else, one thing owners hate is credit-taking.

“I’m fortunate to have another shot to be doing what I love,” Hurney said. “One thing Joe Gibbs always said was, ‘Don’t worry about the things you can’t control.’ I controlled what I could, and things worked out.”

I will say, regardless of how good of a GM he is or isn't, Hurney is one good guy. I wish they would have surrounded him with people that made up for his weaknesses.

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[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Madwolf said:

And to take that one step further, how many coaching gigs did Norv Turner get?

He went out to Washington, gets fired. Then goes out to Oakland, gets fired, and you think no one would want him as the HC after that, but nope, San Diego is like, THAT'S OUR GUY! Why would we want to go 14-2 and have a chance at the Super Bowl every year?!?! Crazy talk! Bring on just bellow career average Norv Turner!

And guess what happened?

To be fair, the Spanos family are some of the worst owners in sports.

It's also true that a good number of retread head coaches have actually been successful. Marv Levy, Dick Vermeil, Pete Carroll and that guy up North whose name escapes me all had unsuccessful coaching stints before hitting their stride.

But no, GMs don't get as many second chances. That much is true.

[Basbear]

Thanks Scott, that second link is to this thread fyi. I read the first and didnt find where he confirmed no offers. I did see where he didnt know if he was going to be a GM again and was doing though lots of changes in his life. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

I will say, regardless of how good of a GM he is or isn't, Hurney is one good guy. I wish they would have surrounded him with people that made up for his weaknesses.

I get what you're saying, but if you have to take those kind of steps, why do you hire the guy to begin with?

Would you want a quarterback of whom it was said "well, he's not that great but as long as we surround him with people who make up for his weaknesses, we'll be okay"?

[Madwolf]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be fair, the Spanos family are some of the worst owners in sports.

It's also true that a good number of retread head coaches have actually been successful. Marv Levy, Dick Vermeil, Pete Carroll and that guy up North whose name escapes me all had unsuccessful coaching stints before hitting their stride.

But no, GMs don't get as many second chances. That much is true.

I certainly think there are guys that deserve a second shot, and you can see where what was going on may not have been there fault. The problem from me with Norv as a HC though was that he always seem to inherit a team that was much better than he ended up leaving it. The San Diego Chargers were one of the best rosters in football for the last few years when he took over, and they were a shell of that when he left. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Basbear said:

Thanks Scott, that second link is to this thread fyi. I read the first and didnt find where he confirmed no offers. I did see where he didnt know if he was going to be a GM again and was doing though lots of changes in his life. 

They both say he wanted another shot to be a GM but didn't get any offers. they also confirm that his first chance to get back in the business came with the Panthers.

if he wanted back in the business and there were indeed other offers, why wouldn't he have taken them? For that matter, why would no one anywhere mention them?

If you can find a link that says he got offers but turned them down, by all means post it. "I think I heard a guy say it once" isn't really reliable.

[Madwolf]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

I get what you're saying, but if you have to take those kind of steps, why do you hire the guy to begin with?

Would you want a quarterback of whom it was said "well, he's not that great but as long as we surround him with people who make up for his weaknesses, we'll be okay"?

You're not wrong at all, I just believe that it's a bit like trying to draft the best QB. For every Mahomes you have dozens of other guys that can get you in the playoffs, but need a lot of help getting the Super Bowl win.

How long do you have to fail at trying to shoot for the moon when you could have just been building up such a solid base that when you eventually do get the King you can't help but win?

I think people spend too much time waiting on Super man, if you catch what I'm saying.

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

I certainly think there are guys that deserve a second shot, and you can see where what was going on may not have been there fault. The problem from me with Norv as a HC though was that he always seem to inherit a team that was much better than he ended up leaving it. The San Diego Chargers were one of the best rosters in football for the last few years when he took over, and they were a shell of that when he left. 

Norv and Rex Ryan are two of several who I think didn't deserve additional opportunities but got them anyway. Woody Johnson admitted that he kept Rex Ryan longer than he should have because he liked his bravado.

Keeping a guy around because you like him and maybe just maybe there's an outside shot he'll somehow miraculously get better at his job isn't exactly the smartest strategy.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

You're not wrong at all, I just believe that it's a bit like trying to draft the best QB. For every Mahomes you have dozens of other guys that can get you in the playoffs, but need a lot of help getting the Super Bowl win.

How long do you have to fail at trying to shoot for the moon when you could have just been building up such a solid base that when you eventually do get the King you can't help but win?

I think people spend too much time waiting on Super man, if you catch what I'm saying.

Understood.

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

They both say he wanted another shot to be a GM but didn't get any offers. they also confirm that his first chance to get back in the business came with the Panthers.

if he wanted back in the business and there were indeed other offers, why wouldn't he have taken them? For that matter, why would no one anywhere mention them?

If you can find a link that says he got offers but turned them down, by all means post it. "I think I heard a guy say it once" isn't really reliable.

Ive trying to find his interview, it was maybe 2 years ago. No luck, I use to folder panther stuff. I heard he had offers to join teams, just not as a GM. Same reasons where in the one piece, he was going though a lot and didnt want a lesser position. Lastly Im no Marty fan, just heard differently about him getting zero offers. If I find it, Ill post. 

[panthers55]

29 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

Thank you for this. I was honestly wondering how often GMs have gotten 2nd gigs because it seems like they all too commonly face a 1 strike and you're out policy. Good to know I wasn't just making that up. Kind of puts it into perspective for those people thumping their chests asking why Hurney wasn't hired again. Also many of those same people also come up with excuses on why Rivera was the only fired coach in 2020 to get another head coaching gig. Funny how easy it is to make any narrative fit your argument.

This does put the whole Hurney couldn't get a job criticism in context. He was fired for a reason and it appears hard to get another opportunity to prove yourself. Like Scot said you are left to take a lesser position somewhere else and try to work your way back up the ladder or do something else. Sounds like Hurney didn't want to uproot and start over working his way up again hoping for another GM job which aren't that plentiful. So he settled down and bought a radio station. He never thought he would get another shot and if it weren't for the Panthers he likely wouldn't. That is how it works in the GM ranks. Once and done. No wonder he is different this time and trying to redeem himself. It was a rare opportunity. 

[Jon Snow]

37 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

I will say, regardless of how good of a GM he is or isn't, Hurney is one good guy. I wish they would have surrounded him with people that made up for his weaknesses.

If you have to do that then what purpose does he serve?  You can try all the mental gymnastics you want to justify keeping him around but his team building record stands for itself.