Most 1st Team All-Pros Drafted Since 2000

[electro's horse]

god dammit do i need to make a big thread where i post all the hurney/FO goss i know

[TheMostInterestingMan]

4 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

god dammit do i need to make a big thread where i post all the hurney/FO goss i know

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

god dammit do i need to make a big thread where i post all the hurney/FO goss i know

Why not?

[thefuzz]

30 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So far this year it looks like keeping Hurney to draft was a great idea. 

Disagree, but to each their own.

IMO, there is never any reason to keep mediocrity around your business, home, bank, car, etc...

We know what he is, 3 days does not change that...just like 4 years off didn't change it.

[thefuzz]

36 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

And what does that tell you that this same blatantly incompetent GM has been kept across two different ownerships?

To me, it's one of three things:

A) He's more knowledgable and competent than he gets credit for.

B) He's truly a "Yes man", and both owners were fairly meddling and simply wanted someone to carry out their vision.

C) His days are numbered and Tepper simply needed time to find the right replacement.

B is most likely to me...in which case, like I said, he's a symptom of a broader disease and all this hatred towards Hurney is misplaced.

So far, Tepper has shown me that he wants things done his way, Jerry was sorta the same, but I actually believe that Tepper wants to win, he's just going to take some time to figure out how to do it.

To your A, B, C, question...I think the closest description is B, like you.  Marty will do whatever the coach and owner want....and that's not a good thing.

Also, let's slow down on the hatred stuff...I don't hate Marty Hurney, I hate that he is employed by the NFL team I like.  I would have no issues what so ever going fishing with him all day, just don't want him controlling my favorite team any longer (p.s. I never did).

[onmyown]

6 hours ago, The Huddler said:

 

maybe we just had bad coaching

Or maybe All-pro just refers to an individual player on a 53 man team.

 

[onmyown]

5 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Obviously it means the gm built a good roster but thd coach couldnt do anything with it

Why was Hurney unemployed for 4 years when Carolina let him go?

[pantherclaw]

It's more than just good players and coaching. 

 

[Drk89Wng]

We draft the players the can make the difference. Coaching is the outlier. We have never been able to put it all together simultaneously. Sad to say our most talented rosters haven't been as successful as less talented ones. The Super Bowl roster from a few years back wasn't as good as 2013. 2017 was probably our most talented all around but we couldn't get past the Saints to save our lives. I blame the injuries Olsen and Ryan Khalil for a lot of our unfortunate loses, two players usually wouldn't make a huge difference but from a leadership and the fat that they both are All Pros are hard to deny missing.  

[jfra78]

23 minutes ago, onmyown said:

Why was Hurney unemployed for 4 years when Carolina let him go?

He wasnt unemployed

[Carolina Mike]

To me this is the prime example of wasted years... the coaching we’ve had has definitely been subpar.

[Jon Snow]

9 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

He wasnt unemployed

He wasn't hired as a GM.  So another "it's everyone's fault but Marty's".

[onmyown]

11 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

He wasnt unemployed

Why do you think there was not any interest from other teams in hiring him for a GM position after a decade of experience in the field?

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

Disagree, but to each their own.

IMO, there is never any reason to keep mediocrity around your business, home, bank, car, etc...

We know what he is, 3 days does not change that...just like 4 years off didn't change it.

Nothing mediocre about this draft. He and Rhule did a great job.