Most 1st Team All-Pros Drafted Since 2000

[panthers55]

5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

If you have to do that then what purpose does he serve?  You can try all the mental gymnastics you want to justify keeping him around but his team building record stands for itself.

Actually expected one person to do everything running a football team without lots of help makes no sense. A GM needs an assistant or two to help out. We have a capologist to handle the salaries. Tepper finally is giving Hurney the help he should have had all along. Look at how the draft went. This was a great collaboration.  I think Tepper is letting Hurney do what he does best and surrounding him with other folks to help do the things he doesn't want to do or doesn't do well. Why not enjoy what we are becoming instead of complaining about what we were. 

[Jon Snow]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

Actually expected one person to do everything running a football team without lots of help makes no sense. A GM needs an assistant or two to help out. We have a capologist to handle the salaries. Tepper finally is giving Hurney the help he should have had all along. Look at how the draft went. This was a great collaboration.  I think Tepper is letting Hurney do what he does best and surrounding him with other folks to help do the things he doesn't want to do or doesn't do well. Why not enjoy what we are becoming instead of complaining about what we were. 

We haven't become anything yet.  Wake me up when they start winning consistently.  Until then spare me the circle jerk over Marty. 

[panthers55]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

We haven't become anything yet.  Wake me up when they start winning consistently.  Until then spare me the circle jerk over Marty. 

I don't know why you want to hibernate for 5 years and miss out on what I hope are some awesome seasons. Assuming Tepper is right and we will win consistently in that time frame. I would think I am as frustrated at our inconsistency as anyone. But I still enjoy the ride with all the bumps and starts along the way.  I would just settle for you stop bitching about Hurney so others like myself feel the need to defend him..

[Jon Snow]

9 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

I don't know why you want to hibernate for 5 years and miss out on what I hope are some awesome seasons. Assuming Tepper is right and we will win consistently in that time frame. I would think I am as frustrated at our inconsistency as anyone. But I still enjoy the ride with all the bumps and starts along the way.  I would just settle for you stop bitching about Hurney so others like myself feel the need to defend him..

Lol.  Keep telling yourself that it's going to get better under Hurney.   It's sad that so many of you accept this loser and his 3-13 soon be 3-15.  I'm sure you guys will be defending him after he gets Rhule fired eventually.  I'm sure it will be Rhules fault that he just couldn't get the job done with all the great talent Hurney gave him.  Excuses, all I here are excuses for why this them has wallowed in mediocrity and none are Marty's fault.  I have had enough. 

[onmyown]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Actually it isn't that frequently that GMs get a second or third chance. Here is the article.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-general-managers-second-chances-marty-hurney-belichick/yf417wiskv3tzhhnsoh5607l

 

Good article and it’s true:

"The fired GM himself is typically going to have a poor win-loss record, so it's hard for the owner to sell to his fan base and organization”

But it points to fired GMs and it also states specially GM to GM, and points to multiple ex GMs who went to other positions other than GM yet Hurney did not seem to get any of these opportunities.

Furthermore the Panthers did what exactly the article claims to not happen for a reason, hire a GM that got fired. The one they fired in the first place. So if there’s any substance here in this article, the question is more why the hell did the FO rehire him? Which I guess blame lies on Tepper if it doesn’t work out.

Just seems silly to me to rehire who you fired, then ask him to find his replacement, then not be able to hire anyone because you can’t interview people interested in replacing him because he technically still is the GM...the situation is strange to me and will be even more strange if it actually works out because I can’t help but think the above situation is the route you need to go to hire the most qualified candidate and have success that you never got the first time.

[TN05]

9 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

I and many others had been saying it for years...  that's what makes Cam and Luke's era so devastatingly hard to accept.  That's a HOFer/generational talent on each side of the ball, and our best run was reaching the Superbowl once and losing.  Teams win every year with a lot less than what we've fielded.

I'd say it also speaks to lack of a solid 53 from top to bottom, but that also goes to coaching because we never developed those guys at the bottom of the roster either.

I think a lot of it speaks to the complete dumpster fire years that were 2014 (when we got rid of our entire offensive line and all our wide receivers) and 2016 (when we dumped our entire cornerback squad and mostly wasted a draft on trying to fix that). Those years should have been better.

[beo]

8 hours ago, Madwolf said:

Said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't think Hurney is a bad drafter overall, I think he's a bad manager of personnel and contracts.

i agree, i really don't think tepper was off base to call him a good talent evaluator. i'd be fine with him remaining with us as a head scout or in some special role where he can give his input and whatnot.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

Lol.  Keep telling yourself that it's going to get better under Hurney.   It's sad that so many of you accept this loser and his 3-13 soon be 3-15.  I'm sure you guys will be defending him after he gets Rhule fired eventually.  I'm sure it will be Rhules fault that he just couldn't get the job done with all the great talent Hurney gave him.  Excuses, all I here are excuses for why this them has wallowed in mediocrity and none are Marty's fault.  I have had enough. 

Who is making excuses about Rhule. We just left the station, this ride is just beginning. All aboard!!!!!

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, onmyown said:

Good article and it’s true:

"The fired GM himself is typically going to have a poor win-loss record, so it's hard for the owner to sell to his fan base and organization”

But it points to fired GMs and it also states specially GM to GM, and points to multiple ex GMs who went to other positions other than GM yet Hurney did not seem to get any of these opportunities.

Furthermore the Panthers did what exactly the article claims to not happen for a reason, hire a GM that got fired. The one they fired in the first place. So if there’s any substance here in this article, the question is more why the hell did the FO rehire him? Which I guess blame lies on Tepper if it doesn’t work out.

Just seems silly to me to rehire who you fired, then ask him to find his replacement, then not be able to hire anyone because you can’t interview people interested in replacing him because he technically still is the GM...the situation is strange to me and will be even more strange if it actually works out because I can’t help but think the above situation is the route you need to go to hire the most qualified candidate and have success that you never got the first time.

It is only strange because you have a story of the way it is which doesn't match up with the current reality. So you assume the reality is flawed because it couldn't be your story. 

[panthers55]

40 minutes ago, beo said:

i agree, i really don't think tepper was off base to call him a good talent evaluator. i'd be fine with him remaining with us as a head scout or in some special role where he can give his input and whatnot.

We have a capologist to manage the cap and contracts and a guy to handle staff and other stadium operations. Hurney can focus on the rest of free agency and do his job. Which by the way is to manage the people on the football side and help everyone coexist and work collaboratively. Something I thought he did well.

[thefuzz]

On 4/28/2020 at 4:25 PM, panthers55 said:

Nothing mediocre about this draft. He and Rhule did a great job. 

How was the team last season?

 

Excuses inbound.

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, thefuzz said:

How was the team last season?

 

Excuses inbound.

Rhetorical question?

[Car123]

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[thefuzz]

38 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Rhetorical question?

Is this game about winning and losing, or about how you feel about drafts 5 days after they happen?