How I think Rhule Manipulated the Draft

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

3 minutes ago, Devil Doc said:

Do you think Rivera was as vocal or innovating as Rhule? Maybe Tepper decided that Rhule could have more control, than Rivera Did? Just speculating

I would not think that a rookie coach a few months after being hired in the NFL, with no NFL HC experience would have more say over a coach with 8 years NFL experience as a HC, another 12 as an assistant.

Now throw in Rivera at the Redskins giving up what they did for Kyle Allen, and a draft that definitely had some head scratchers. 

 

[MMA]

8 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I do not get stressed on a message board.  Sorry this is stressing you out.  When I come on here, I throw stuff at the wall.  I am not an expert--and neither are you.  No stress.  Take it or leave it.  Don't read it.  And everything is not simple. The point of this?  Rhule was in control.  he did not let Marty go full retard.  He had a plan on day 3---and it is in the tea leaves.  Marty shoots from the hip after round 1.  Rhule seems to have had a plan for all seven levels.  It was refreshing.  Sorry you cant see it.

Don’t sorry me that I can’t see. I see very well. You could see that the chargers traded their 2nd and 3rd rounds to the Patriots. Your conspiracy theory was that Patriots traded up in front of Hurney to get Hurney’s guy (dugger). Nvm. Forget about it. But sometimes, quit throwing poo at the wall hoping that it stick. Give me the facts, not poo.

[yasuhara2241]

Nobody knew what we were doing this year which was nice but maybe that had to do with the quarantine or new staff. 

I do know that our FO had a ton of people believe we were taking Simmons, Mims and Lynch. 

They did a good job concealing their true feelings.  

[Rockahype]

 

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For those who replied just to voice your displeasure with the horrifying length and over-complication of the original post, maybe stay on the simpler side of the internet where there are pretty pictures and recycled thoughts limited by a max character count. Social media and all it's hot take fact only based one-liners are calling your name.   

 

MHS831, your draft predictions, follow-up topics like this and all other fresh material are much appreciated. Cheers! 

 

[SnowPanther]

1 hour ago, Devil Doc said:

I can agree on one thing, what ever happened in the Draft, happened because of Rhule. Marty alone, could have not pulled this off. 

Marty's only here for stability purposes, when Tepper finds someone he's comfortable with taking the reigns he'll move on.

[Moo Daeng]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I get the idea, and heck, I don't think Marty is capable of 3D chess (or even 3D checkers, for that matter).

But with that said, the premise that a rookie head coach with near zero experience at the NFL Draft handled his first one ever like a master manipulator is a bit much for me. I just think they went into the Draft planning to improve the defense and made their picks accordingly.

(that, plus I know you're not being all that serious here anyway)

Only the great Mister Scott is capable of both  determining the motives of our front office and grading how well it went while reminding people not to judge the draft.

[RASTAN66]

3 hours ago, panthers55 said:

It is likely that Hurney led the draft with Rhule being very active in determining the board. Not the other way around..  why? This is Rhule's first draft. He was doing more watching and learning than directing and coordinating. And Hurney did his job. He got Rhule the guys he wanted 

I hear ya but think there's a forest for the trees issue here.

What 's going on here is Rhule is assembling a football team, his football team --- an exercise he has been through many times before.

If anything, assembling a football team at the NFL level is easier than it is in college.

Rhule assembles a team from all sorts of ingredients and the draft is simply another aisle in the grocery store.  There's nothing magical about the NFL draft that only the initiated understand...

Rhule makes the list with input from Hurney and together they go out into the aisles and pick the produce....if there's a question about the freshness of a particular item, Rhule makes the final decision. 

If they decide to splurge on a $300 bottle of wine to compliment the meal -- Tepper's approval is required.

 

[bigdavis]

14 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

I hear ya but think there's a forest for the trees issue here.

What 's going on here is Rhule is assembling a football team, his football team --- an exercise he has been through many times before.

If anything, assembling a football team at the NFL level is easier than it is in college.

Rhule assembles a team from all sorts of ingredients and the draft is simply another aisle in the grocery store.  There's nothing magical about the NFL draft that only the initiated understand...

Rhule makes the list with input from Hurney and together they go out into the aisles and pick the produce....if there's a question about the freshness of a particular item, Rhule makes the final decision. 

If they decide to splurge on a $300 bottle of wine to compliment the meal -- Tepper's approval is required.

 

A novel and appealing metaphor that makes a lot of sense.

Fresh ingredients; avoiding the frozen and prepackaged sections.

[45catfan]

11 hours ago, MHS831 said:

should have broken it into chapters.  Seriously--think about the fifth and sixth rounds--we had a plan and were targeting these players--I think it is why Hurney expressed frustration about not being able to trade--I think Rhule told him to leave those picks alone.

I got you man, good read...the entire thing.  It's one thing for a rant post that long, but it's another thing when the point of the post is trying to be informative.

Several of us here were convinced if Brown was the pick the team should come back and get one of the top CBs remaining.  The other option was Duggar or Chinn to make up from passing on Simmons.  It was unanimously agreed that #38 was too rich for either of them.  The reason I never mocked YGM wasn't because I didn't think he had talent, just the opposite...he wasn't supposed to be there at #38.  I can't remember one mock have him drop out of the 1st round.  Great value!

So when Chinn was there at the end of round #2, we had to get him out of need and he was the positional BPA, if not the overall BPA.  Not to mention, Chinn was my draft crush this year.  Got to love getting your 3rd round mock staple in the 2nd, especially when I started to see his value solidly the round above.

Then, the elephant in the room was CB.  I had zero doubt it was the next pick.  Pride Junior was slotted where we got him, so we got the value for a desperate need. Solid.

Robinson I admit was a wildcard and didn't look into him much at all.  However, I did have mocks taking a hybrid CB/S in the 5th.  Not a guy I was familiar with, but having mocked the position here some, obviously I was cool with it.

Roy was consistently my Baylor homer pick, sometime mocked in the 6th, sometimes the 7th.  Needless to say when he was selected, I was like BOO-YA!  While most people were on the Lynch Homer train, Roy was my guy.  Not to mention we needed a NT-type to rotate in, especially early downs and goal line.

The last pick was my only 'meh' of the draft.  I was fine double-dipping at CB, but IIRC there was better, that is more polished, corners still remaining.  Chances are he goes undrafted while still quality OL and DL remaining.

Still loving this draft, btw.  No reflections of a overreaction.  

[Mistuh Jones]

So I had NO clue that Bravvion had 4.8 wheels. We just really replaced Dontari Poe HAHAHA I LOVE YOU RHULE (He said in April) 

[micnificent28]

Unless your a baylor fan we know absolutely nothing about Rhule... even more so his draft logic or philosophy, anything else is complete head cannon.

[davos]

Rhule worked on this draft.  He didn't manipulate anything, there's nothing to "investigate".  They researched, built their boards, and things fell as they did.  I actually don't even see a conspiracy in the OP, just a bit keyboard wandering.  It seems we are we just taking guesses at where our board was at certain picks and calling it a "conspiracy" and saying those who don't like that conjecture don't like reading? lol.

 

 

[BurnHurnBurn]

12 hours ago, MHS831 said:

should have broken it into chapters.  Seriously--think about the fifth and sixth rounds--we had a plan and were targeting these players--I think it is why Hurney expressed frustration about not being able to trade--I think Rhule told him to leave those picks alone.

If in anyway true, it highlights the absolute necessity of ridding this franchise once and for all of this raspy moron.

[Woodie]

20 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

The last pick was my only 'meh' of the draft.  I was fine double-dipping at CB, but IIRC there was better, that is more polished, corners still remaining.  Chances are he goes undrafted while still quality OL and DL remaining.

 

Yes, he very well could have gone undrafted.  But I think Thomas-Oliver was a potential pick.  He's a guy with the traits to develop into a good CB.  But he's raw and needs to be coached up.  IMO, this is a long-term/flier pick.

While there may have been guys more ready right now, this guy probably has the higher ceiling if he pans out.  And this was probably a good place to take a chance on a guy with pretty good upside.  Especially if they really liked his potential, but were afraid they might not get him to sign here as an UFDA.