Prediction: Any busts from this draft will be credited towards Hurney, any stars will be attributed to Rhule

[Waldo]

Nope, this one is on Rhule. These all look like his guys and now it's his turn to prove he can coach them up. If half turn out decent then we are up 2 or 3 players on a normal Hurney draft.

Hurney gets the blame for the last 2 drafts, he is still eating the crap sandwich from those bombs.

[RumHam]

14 hours ago, bobowilson said:

The real point of this thread though is to debate, who was in charge of this draft?

The video posted today shows Hurney reflecting on all of his draft picks and his thoughts when he was making the decision seem to indicate he was firmly in control of the process.

Unless we believe Hurney is a skilled liar.

 

Um hes a hallnof fame liar. Also he wasn't on television

[MHS831]

If a player busts, the GM SHOULD get the blame.  If a team busts, the coach gets the blame. 

And yes, coaches deserve credit for successful players because college to pros is a huge transition.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Not all of his prior mistakes were the fault of JR, but we know for a fact that some of them were.  JR was a meddlesome owner.  We know JR wanted to extend Olsen and TD, that he wanted CMC, and that he made Fox a lame duck coach. How much do we not know?

I hate that I have to defend this guy on here all the time, but the hate is really unjustified.  Was he a great GM? No, but we had worse.  

Our worst "GM" wasn't actually a GM but did have full control. That was Dom Capers. Marty would be the second worst.

As to extending Olsen and Davis, it's what he was brought back to do you seriously think he wouldn't have done it anyway? Heck, he wanted to extend Newton, injuries and all.

[jfra78]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Our worst "GM" wasn't actually a GM but did have full control. That was Dom Capers. Marty would be the second worst.

As to extending Olsen and Davis, it's what he was brought back to do you seriously think he wouldn't have done it anyway? Heck, he wanted to extend Newton, injuries and all.

He, like 99% of employess, do what their boss tells them to do or they get fired

[Carl Spackler]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Our worst "GM" wasn't actually a GM but did have full control. That was Dom Capers. Marty would be the second worst.

As to extending Olsen and Davis, it's what he was brought back to do you seriously think he wouldn't have done it anyway? Heck, he wanted to extend Newton, injuries and all.

Aside from record, what made Dom suck so much? I don't remember specifics other than the Gilbert deal.

[CPF4LIFE]

I agree, just wait on it. If this draft bombs hurney will get taken out back. 

[MasterAwesome]

Damn...it’s almost like a GM’s job is to collaborate with the head coach to acquire players that fit their scheme/vision. Y’all who are sitting here acting like “Wow that draft obviously had Rhule’s fingerprints all over it” like that’s some novel concept, are hilarious.

Anyone who gives the entire blame/credit of a draft to the head coach or the GM rather than recognize it as a collaborative effort every season by every team is either painfully ignorant or feeding into their preconceived narratives.  We know that Hurney + Rivera was a borderline disastrous combo and at least one of the two had to go. It’s not unreasonable to think that Hurney + Rhule could be a success story.  
 

Hey, notice how EVERY team’s virtual draft included both the GM and the head coach? Crazy, huh? I guess one of them was just there to look pretty while the other was orchestrating the whole draft. I guess it’s like when you were younger, playing video games with your little brother, and you gave him an unplugged controller to just mash buttons and think he was participating. Hurney must have just been walking around with a disconnected headset while mastermind Rhule was pulling all the strings!

[panther4life]

This entire thread makes way too much sense to be on the huddle

[Drk89Wng]

6 hours ago, panthers55 said:

The other way around. Both Rhule and Hurney said Marty was leading the draft and Rhule was heavily involved in creating the board based on his familiarity with the college players.

I know that's why I posted the opposite. I feel that was a smoke screen, in no way was this Marty because he's never done this before. I feel that they don't want to discredit Marty out of respect but I think he had a more minimal role than usual. 

[JARROD]

Oh no,..

it’s established now that Hurney set a vision that came from Tepper, and navigated the draft, but it was Rhule that selected the players.

so if it works... he’s awesome,..

if not,. Rhule will out faster than Chip Kelly,..ha.

[panthers55]

29 minutes ago, Drk89Wng said:

I know that's why I posted the opposite. I feel that was a smoke screen, in no way was this Marty because he's never done this before. I feel that they don't want to discredit Marty out of respect but I think he had a more minimal role than usual. 

That whole argument makes no sense. If our picks are better this year absolutely give Rhule credit for picking good players for his scheme. And give Hurney credit or blame for moving up or down, organizing his board and making good picks. But to assume he had a minimal role because the picks were good is really a naive view. The GMs job is to get the players that the coaches want for their scheme. GMs don't go against coaches and owners and pick their own guys unless they want a short career or as Nostradamus. Hurney did what he always did, draft the players the coaches want. If anything this just confirms that Rhule and Hurney made a better team than Hurney and Rivera. It really isn't either or it is both together. 

 

[Drk89Wng]

1 minute ago, panthers55 said:

That whole argument makes no sense. If our picks are better this year absolutely give Rhule credit for picking good players for his scheme. And give Hurney credit or blame for moving up or down, organizing his board and making good picks. But to assume he had a minimal role because the picks were good is really a naive view. The GMs job is to get the players that the coaches want for their scheme. GMs don't go against coaches and owners and pick their own guys unless they want a short career or as Nostradamus. Hurney did what he always did, draft the players the coaches want. If anything this just confirms that Rhule and Hurney made a better team than Hurney and Rivera. It really isn't either or it is both together. 

 

I'm not ready to deem the picks were good, I'm just taking off my tin foil hat and saying no matter the result I feel Rhule made the majority of the choices. If we gave the guy that much money for that long and have not committed to keeping Hurney as the GM why would we let him have this much control? I know Hurney had some input but he was not the majority decision maker, look at the picks compared to years past and please tell me otherwise. 

[panthers55]

16 minutes ago, Drk89Wng said:

I'm not ready to deem the picks were good, I'm just taking off my tin foil hat and saying no matter the result I feel Rhule made the majority of the choices. If we gave the guy that much money for that long and have not committed to keeping Hurney as the GM why would we let him have this much control? I know Hurney had some input but he was not the majority decision maker, look at the picks compared to years past and please tell me otherwise. 

Of course Rhule had a big say in who we picked because he is the head coach. And the thinking was,  that because he came from the college ranks he might really know this class of players. I hope he does and it helps. For his first draft he did a great job.  And as he himself said, Hurney did a great job getting Yetur who some say fell a little and then trading up for Chinn at 64. IHurney brought together the coaches and scouts to find guys who could help. They both did a great job. 

Rhule's influence wasn't just in who we picked but the type of players. Rhule likes physical tough guys who have heart and fire and are athletic and versatile. That is what he recruited  at Baylor. Getting fast athletic guys who are versatile has been Hurney's mantra for a few years. This has been a good marriage of philosophy which is why things went so well.