KK Short

[jfra78]

5 minutes ago, MMA said:

As good as Cox? El oh el. Cox engineered the Eagles defense to a Super Bowl championship. What the freak. Just stop it. If Short was a Buc, Saint or Con, you’d be talking of how overpaid he is. 

Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles						Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career					125	119	0	0	0	0	13	11	0	11	48	2	48.0	367	260	107	62	121		88
2012	22	PHI	RDT	91	15	9	0	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	0	0	5.5	39	32	7	8	10		4
2013	23	PHI	RDE	91	16	16	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	3	0	3.0	41	29	12	4	9		8
2014	24	PHI	LDE	91	16	16						1	0	3	21	1	4.0	61	48	13	8	7		13
2015*	25	PHI	LDE	91	16	16	0	0	0	0	2	3	0	2	0	0	9.5	71	50	21	11	20		13
2016*	26	PHI	LDT	91	16	16	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	1	0	0	6.5	43	27	16	9	14		10
2017*	27	PHI	RDT	91	14	14	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	2	20	1	5.5	26	15	11	5	17		14
2018*+	28	PHI	RDT	91	16	16	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	1	3	0	10.5	46	33	13	12	34		15
2019*	29	PHI	RDT	91	16	16	0	0	0	0	2	3	0	1	1	0	3.5	40	26	14	5	10		11

 

Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles						Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career					96	73	0	0	0	0	12	9	0	6	11	0	32.5	274	164	110	59	87		44
2013	24	CAR		99	16	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	1	0	0	1.5	30	18	12	7	14		2
2014	25	CAR	LDT	99	16	9	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	2	0	0	3.5	39	20	19	4	11		5
2015*	26	CAR	RDT	99	16	16	0	0	0	0	4	3	0	2	0	0	11.0	55	36	19	16	18		14
2016	27	CAR	RDT	99	16	16	0	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	0	0	6.0	55	30	25	12	17		7
2017	28	CAR	RDT	99	16	16	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	1	11	0	7.5	49	27	22	7	17		7
2018*	29	CAR	LDT	99	14	14	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	3.0	42	29	13	12	7		8
2019	30	CAR		99	2	2											0.0	4	4	0	1	3		1

 

Other than last season they look similar

[MMA]

2 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles						Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career					125	119	0	0	0	0	13	11	0	11	48	2	48.0	367	260	107	62	121		88
2012	22	PHI	RDT	91	15	9	0	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	0	0	5.5	39	32	7	8	10		4
2013	23	PHI	RDE	91	16	16	0	0	0	0	1	0	0	1	3	0	3.0	41	29	12	4	9		8
2014	24	PHI	LDE	91	16	16						1	0	3	21	1	4.0	61	48	13	8	7		13
2015*	25	PHI	LDE	91	16	16	0	0	0	0	2	3	0	2	0	0	9.5	71	50	21	11	20		13
2016*	26	PHI	LDT	91	16	16	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	1	0	0	6.5	43	27	16	9	14		10
2017*	27	PHI	RDT	91	14	14	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	2	20	1	5.5	26	15	11	5	17		14
2018*+	28	PHI	RDT	91	16	16	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	1	3	0	10.5	46	33	13	12	34		15
2019*	29	PHI	RDT	91	16	16	0	0	0	0	2	3	0	1	1	0	3.5	40	26	14	5	10		11

 

Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles						Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career					96	73	0	0	0	0	12	9	0	6	11	0	32.5	274	164	110	59	87		44
2013	24	CAR		99	16	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	1	0	0	1.5	30	18	12	7	14		2
2014	25	CAR	LDT	99	16	9	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	2	0	0	3.5	39	20	19	4	11		5
2015*	26	CAR	RDT	99	16	16	0	0	0	0	4	3	0	2	0	0	11.0	55	36	19	16	18		14
2016	27	CAR	RDT	99	16	16	0	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	0	0	6.0	55	30	25	12	17		7
2017	28	CAR	RDT	99	16	16	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	1	11	0	7.5	49	27	22	7	17		7
2018*	29	CAR	LDT	99	14	14	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	3.0	42	29	13	12	7		8
2019	30	CAR		99	2	2											0.0	4	4	0	1	3		1

 

Other than last season they look similar

What the freak. Making my eyes hurt

[jfra78]

Just now, MMA said:

What the freak. Making my eyes hurt

Cox had 3.5 sacks last year, i guess its time to cut him

[Drk89Wng]

Reading the nonsense from most of you arm chair GMs is priceless. Yes KK hasn’t performed as well as he did when he was paired with Star. He also hasn’t been fully healthy for a few years also. His sack numbers haven’t been astronomical but has the teams overall sack numbers been terrible? He got noticed by the league and gameplaned for so he was expected to not perform statistically as well but he still made the opponent ensure he was subdued as well as they could. In 93 games played and 73 games started KK has 32.5 sacks and 59 TFL, Fletcher Cox in 125 games played and 119 games started he has 48 sacks and 62 TFL. If we are talking about efficiency here KK has the edge. If we delve deeper and compare the QB hits in the same time frame Fletcher has 121 and KK has 87. Correlating that to the amount of games each has played they are roughly on par with one  another with Fletcher having the slight edge to getting to the QB more consistently but then KK has the advantage with converting sacks. I’m not trying to sound biased but taking what talent we have surrounded KK with compared to Fletcher I’d say KK did more with less. Fletcher has the more well rounded stats but I feel his defense has had more consistent success than ours since 2015. The reason I choose 2015 is that is the year short started a full season. Differing opinions and technicalities could lead this conversation back and forth but what I’m getting at is stat wise KK has deserved top 3 DT money and has put up the numbers. He can’t be faulted for what he doesn’t have control over. This year we will see if he is in our future plans but cutting him now to save roughly 10 mil doesn’t make sense. We wouldn’t be able to use that money to significantly get better this year so it’s best spent on a familiar player. 

[MMA]

24 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Cox had 3.5 sacks last year, i guess its time to cut him

And how many the year before that? Hmmmm

[Jared Patterson]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Cutting Short after the season would save about $10M. Cutting Davis would save $3M.

But with that 10 mill nothing is guaranteed after this year right???? and we won't have dead cap correct?

[MMA]

4 minutes ago, Drk89Wng said:

Reading the nonsense from most of you arm chair GMs is priceless. Yes KK hasn’t performed as well as he did when he was paired with Star. He also hasn’t been fully healthy for a few years also. His sack numbers haven’t been astronomical but has the teams overall sack numbers been terrible? He got noticed by the league and gameplaned for so he was expected to not perform statistically as well but he still made the opponent ensure he was subdued as well as they could. In 93 games played and 73 games started KK has 32.5 sacks and 59 TFL, Fletcher Cox in 125 games played and 119 games started he has 48 sacks and 62 TFL. If we are talking about efficiency here KK has the edge. If we delve deeper and compare the QB hits in the same time frame Fletcher has 121 and KK has 87. Correlating that to the amount of games each has played they are roughly on par with one  another with Fletcher having the slight edge to getting to the QB more consistently but then KK has the advantage with converting sacks. I’m not trying to sound biased but taking what talent we have surrounded KK with compared to Fletcher I’d say KK did more with less. Fletcher has the more well rounded stats but I feel his defense has had more consistent success than ours since 2015. The reason I choose 2015 is that is the year short started a full season. Differing opinions and technicalities could lead this conversation back and forth but what I’m getting at is stat wise KK has deserved top 3 DT money and has put up the numbers. He can’t be faulted for what he doesn’t have control over. This year we will see if he is in our future plans but cutting him now to save roughly 10 mil doesn’t make sense. We wouldn’t be able to use that money to significantly get better this year so it’s best spent on a familiar player. 

Hasn’t been healthy for a few years? El oh el. What a lie.

[Jared Patterson]

1 hour ago, Ja Rhule said:

Can’t cut him now... in 2020 his salary is 19M and 17.5M is dead money.  We’ll save $1M by releasing him now.

What about next year if we cut him? Wont we save all of it and have no dead cap?

[jfra78]

3 minutes ago, MMA said:

And how many the year before that? Hmmmm

KK had 1 "bad" year, same as Fletcher.  

[MMA]

Just now, jfra78 said:

KK had 1 "bad" year, same as Fletcher.  

Been bad since getting paid. I’m done. 

[jfra78]

Just now, MMA said:

Been bad since getting paid. I’m done. 

Your wrong too.  In fact that 3.5 sack season was mostly due to who was DC that year.  The whole D sucked that year

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, Jared Patterson said:

But with that 10 mill nothing is guaranteed after this year right???? and we won't have dead cap correct?

No, $11M of dead cap. He has a $21M cap hit next year. 

[Drk89Wng]

5 minutes ago, MMA said:

Hasn’t been healthy for a few years? El oh el. What a lie.

He hasn’t played a full 16 games since 2017 corrects? Unless I’m mistaken that’s a few years.

[Drk89Wng]

@MMA is just a bored troll, he’s yet to say anything positive on any thread since I joined. I feel he’s secretly a Rivera fan boy but too proud to join the Redskins and further look like a douche.