2021 mock draft

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Growl said:

Unless madwolf can actually muster up a list of names of recent top 10 OTs who led their team to super bowl glory, my argument doesn't need any curmudgeonly cluche ridden football types endorsing it for it to be taken seriously

How does an OT "lead their team to Super Bowl glory"? OTs are facilitators. 

[MMA]

2 minutes ago, RumHam said:

Just stop

Okay 

[Growl]

3 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

How does an OT "lead their team to Super Bowl glory"? OTs are facilitators. 

Now you're catching on

Not a contribution that I aspire to inject my 1st or 3rd or 5th overall pick in the draft on.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Growl said:

Now you're catching on

Not a contribution that I aspire to inject my 1st or 3rd or 5th overall pick in the draft on.

They can't directly win you a game, but they sure can directly lose you a game and potentially derail the career of a franchise QB. There's a reason why the NFL values them so highly. Just sayin'.

[Growl]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They can't directly win you a game, but they sure can directly lose you a game and potentially derail the career of a franchise QB. There's a reason why the NFL values them so highly. Just sayin'.

The talent disparity between a good OT and a great OT doesn't elevate you from division winner to super bowl champion.

the disparity between a good QB and an elite one does. The difference between a good pass rush and an elite pass rush does.

the top 5 picks of the draft are the best spots to ascertain those talents.  Whether or not I can reliably obtain an elite OT there is a matter of debate, but more to the point: if I'm using a pick on the OT,  I'm not using it on the more important spots.

To get ahead of some inevitable counterpoints:

-If im picking that high in the draft, then i almost certainly have a need at those spots.

"but if you believe in the need for elite pass rushers, shouldn't you need elite pass protectors"

No, the NFL doesn't reflect this reality anymore. 

-The ball is coming out quicker as the quick passing game has taken over

-high quality pass protectors can be found later, and the ones taken high seem to have debatable assurance of success anyways

-interior pass rush is just as important as outside rush, mandating the need for not only higher resource investment there, but also depressing the overall impact of outside protectors-no, this doesn't mean you should use a 1st round pick on a Center, see above.

-the decreased dependence on the run game 

"but I want to be a team that runs the ball a lot"

okay great but I'm not using a top 5 pick on a run blocking oriented RT.

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[MMA]

3 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Are you retarded?  Serious question 

Watch you mouth. or I meant tiny little fingers. 

[LinvilleGorge]

25 minutes ago, Growl said:

The talent disparity between a good OT and a great OT doesn't elevate you from division winner to super bowl champion.

the disparity between a good QB and an elite one does. The difference between a good pass rush and an elite pass rush does.

the top 5 picks of the draft are the best spots to ascertain those talents.  Whether or not I can reliably obtain an elite OT there is a matter of debate, but more to the point: if I'm using a pick on the OT,  I'm not using it on the more important spots.

To get ahead of some inevitable counterpoints:

-If im picking that high in the draft, then i almost certainly have a need at those spots.

"but if you believe in the need for elite pass rushers, shouldn't you need elite pass protectors"

No, the NFL doesn't reflect this reality anymore. 

-The ball is coming out quicker as the quick passing game has taken over

-high quality pass protectors can be found later, and the ones taken high seem to have debatable assurance of success anyways

-interior pass rush is just as important as outside rush, mandating the need for not only higher resource investment there, but also depressing the overall impact of outside protectors-no, this doesn't mean you should use a 1st round pick on a Center, see above.

-the decreased dependence on the run game 

"but I want to be a team that runs the ball a lot"

okay great but I'm not using a top 5 pick on a run blocking oriented RT.

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If you need a QB and one you like is available you should pick him. If you have a QB or are looking for a QB and one you like isn't available then you absolutely shouldn't rule out taking an OT to protect him if one you like is available.

[Growl]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you need a QB and one you like is available you should pick him. If you have a QB or are looking for a QB and one you like isn't available then you absolutely shouldn't rule out taking an OT to protect him if one you like is available.

this sounds fine in a vacuum but if im picking in the top 5 then i have multiple needs and there's a really good chance that one of those spots possesses more inherent value than OT, especially with the relative ease that you can find a good OT 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Growl said:

this sounds fine in a vacuum but if im picking in the top 5 then i have multiple needs and there's a really good chance that one of those spots possesses more inherent value than OT, especially with the relative ease that you can find a good OT 

Relative ease of finding a good OT? LOL! 33 OL wouldn't have been drafted in the top 10 over the past 20 years of they were easy to find. LTs are among the highest paid positions for a reason - that reason being scarcity 

[Growl]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Relative ease of finding a good OT? LOL! 33 OL wouldn't have been drafted in the top 10 over the past 20 years of they were easy to find. LTs are among the highest paid positions for a reason - that reason being scarcity 

oh wow so there's always an abundance of them

and back to the original point here: how many of these selections ultimately paid substantial dividends for their team?

as madwolf can tell you, finding super bowl teams with top 10 OT selections on their roster, especially ones who panned out and became high quality players worthy of the selection, is an extremely tough list to assemble

an offensive tackle can't change the fortunes of your franchise. It can complement a roster, but using a high draft pick on one is surrendering the opportunity to take a player that just might actually put your team on the map. 

I'm not looking to take a complementary piece or a "facilitator" with a top 5 draft pick.

[MMA]

OT is the hardest position to evaluate in today’s football. College is the blame of it. OT used to be the safest position to draft in the 1st round. You would solidify the tackle position for the next 10 years. Not anymore. Six OTs went in the 1st round last Thursday. And it was considered one of the best OT class ever. You’d be lucky if three out of the six actually pan out. 

[LinvilleGorge]

If you're solely looking for a single player that can change the course of a franchise then your choice is pretty much limited to only QB and reaching on a QB isn't going to help you if none worthy of the pick are available.

[Growl]

6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you're solely looking for a single player that can change the course of a franchise then your choice is pretty much limited to only QB and reaching on a QB isn't going to help you if none worthy of the pick are available.

Or pass rush. Or to a lesser extent but still more valuable in the current NFL, pass defense. 

That's a fairly large pool of players to aim for that I don't have to start resigning myself to complementary pieces.

[MMA]

4 minutes ago, Growl said:

Or pass rush. Or to a lesser extent but still more valuable in the current NFL, pass defense. 

That's a fairly large pool of players to aim for that I don't have to start resigning myself to complementary pieces.

or like Christian McCaffrey