DTs who do not generate double digit sacks do not make the Hall of Fame (Brown's ceiling?)

[jfra78]

7 minutes ago, VirginiaMike said:

I would first argue that a DT doesn't have to have double digit sack numbers for multiple years to go to the HOF.

The Eagles DT Fletcher Cox only had 1 season over 9 sacks (10.5) and most people would agree that he will go to the HOF when he retires, so I don't think a DT has to have double digit sack totals in multiple years to go to the HOF.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14941/fletcher-cox

McCoy never had more than 9.5 sacks https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13240/gerald-mccoy

In fact only one DT comes to mind with sacks like that the best to play DT Warren Sapp, but if Derrick Brown can play as good as Cox, McCoy, Suh

I highly doubt anyone would complain about his production & value to the Carolina Panthers.
I'll go ahead and say it right now (as long as he isn't injured) I think Derrick Brown will go down as the best DT to ever play or ever will play in a Panthers outfit (McCoy's one year wasn't as significant as the rest of his career, going only by how they played DT while they were a Panther not with other teams).

Can throw this back in my face if I'm wrong, but I dont think I'll be wrong.  Simply watch the tape on that guy, and add the fact that they drafted an edge rusher & DBs that can press receivers so that the QB can't just dump the ball right away.. man the Offense might stink this year, but it'll be fun watching the Defense play.

 

If he is better than Kris Jenkins, that will be huge.

[Mother Grabber]

1 hour ago, bobowilson said:

This feels reactionary...

your entire argument is reactionary, since we haven’t actually seen the new defense play yet.

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, bobowilson said:

Christian McCaffrey

Certainly not a HoF'er this early in his career.

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Luke Kuechly

Considering his early retirement, borderline-HoF'er.  A longer career at his rate of performance would have been a shoe-in.

 

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Cam Newton

Absolutely needs a few more productive years at QB before he is a HoF'er.  (And he is my favorite NFL player of all time.)

 

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Jordan Gross

Not a HoF'er.  Ever.  Not even close.

 

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Julius Peppers

Shoe-in.  Automatic.

[micnificent28]

I agree with you but the huddle will tell you he is a pass rusher so...

[blueandblackattack]

Sacks arent the be all/end all. It's not like Aaron Donalds just grow on trees, so relax.

You know what also helps? Collapsing the pocket into the qbs face and making him move into our other pass rushers. Sorry that theres no metric for that, but if you watch the tape, you'll see.

[Zithers2]

Yeah, elite run defenders just aren't as valuable in today's game. I really wanted Simmons. Like, do we really think Brown is going to wind up being one of the seven best/most valuable players to come out of this class? I don't really agree with taking an interior guy in the top ten unless he's going to become a sack artist like Aaron Donald. Which, I mean, I guess is totally possible but he had 12.5 sacks in college. Donald had 29.5... You'd like to see some production there to confidently extrapolate Brown into a 10+ sack dude.

I also feel like we still have one of the worst defenses in the league despite adding Brown and six other guys over the weekend.

[micnificent28]

18 minutes ago, Zithers2 said:

Yeah, elite run defenders just aren't as valuable in today's game. I really wanted Simmons. Like, do we really think Brown is going to wind up being one of the seven best/most valuable players to come out of this class? I don't really agree with taking an interior guy in the top ten unless he's going to become a sack artist like Aaron Donald. Which, I mean, I guess is totally possible but he had 12.5 sacks in college. Donald had 29.5... You'd like to see some production there to confidently extrapolate Brown into a 10+ sack dude.

I also feel like we still have one of the worst defenses in the league despite adding Brown and six other guys over the weekend.

this is exactly right.... But because some reason most of the huddle thinks brown is a pass rusher....you might get flamed for this kind of logic.

[SOJA]

here's the alternative, assuming trading down was not an option, who would you have selected? 

Simmons? His bust potential is 10x higher than Brown

[GoobyPls]

50 minutes ago, Zithers2 said:

Yeah, elite run defenders just aren't as valuable in today's game. I really wanted Simmons. Like, do we really think Brown is going to wind up being one of the seven best/most valuable players to come out of this class? I don't really agree with taking an interior guy in the top ten unless he's going to become a sack artist like Aaron Donald. Which, I mean, I guess is totally possible but he had 12.5 sacks in college. Donald had 29.5... You'd like to see some production there to confidently extrapolate Brown into a 10+ sack dude.

I also feel like we still have one of the worst defenses in the league despite adding Brown and six other guys over the weekend.

And off the ball linebackers are valuable? Lol

 

Theirs a reason interior lineman usually get drafted way higher than off the ball backers. Sacks are not the end all be all, if you can disrupt and get pressure up the middle that’s good enough. I agree if he was just a run stuffer like Star or Vita Vea I wouldn’t want him in the top 10, but from all account he’s a disrupter and has been compared to Cox (who had less sacks than Brown in college)

 

And yes our defense will still struggle a bunch of rookies are not gonna turn around a bad defense. Drafting Simmons would have made less of an impact.

[Navy_football]

So...

The draft is designed to add talent to your team so that you win more games. 

If it was designed to bring in HOFers, then the best teams would get the earlier picks.

[kungfoodude]

5 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Ignore him, he's a butthurt Simmons fan.

Maybe we can purge all the Clemson homers from the fanbase with the butthurt tsunami that followed that pick.

I am sure the Cardinals have plenty of room on their bandwagon. 

[kungfoodude]

Good thing I came into this thread to find out guys like Fletcher Cox and Kris Jenkins sucked. 

Only one season of double digit sacks between them and we all know they rarely had an impact on a game.

Thanks Huddle! I love your football knowledge! Positional value IS a stupid concept. How could I not see this???

[Navy_football]

2 hours ago, Zithers2 said:

Yeah, elite run defenders just aren't as valuable in today's game. I really wanted Simmons. Like, do we really think Brown is going to wind up being one of the seven best/most valuable players to come out of this class? I don't really agree with taking an interior guy in the top ten unless he's going to become a sack artist like Aaron Donald. Which, I mean, I guess is totally possible but he had 12.5 sacks in college. Donald had 29.5... You'd like to see some production there to confidently extrapolate Brown into a 10+ sack dude.

I also feel like we still have one of the worst defenses in the league despite adding Brown and six other guys over the weekend.

Donald is a GREAT player!

But 29.5 sacks against Cincinnati, Georgia Tech and Rutgers is not the same as the SEC where starting linemen are almost all 3 stars or better.

The SEC's sack leader of 2019 had 10 sacks - Jonathan Greenard, DE, Florida. 

DTs just don't make 10+ sacks in one season in the SEC. Maybe over a career but not one season.

[beo]

4 hours ago, bobowilson said:

Good catch actually

Had a stroke in 2017, still trying to rehabilitate verbal fluency.   Good practice on forums.

 

if that's actually so, then yeah go for it bro. i'm not the best at articulating my words and points either, so i understand where you're coming from. just try proofreading and re-assessing your arguments before posting.