The 4th Round Big Board for non-scoffers

[MHS831]

8 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I think we have to take the best CB in round 4.  It's only several picks in, so likely we will have the pick of what is remaining now, minus a guy or two.  I'm sure the war room is looking hard at the top corner on their board when #113 comes around.  It's not as dire as DT was.  We have several JAGS at CB and I think Burris now plays corner instead of safety.  No need to force a double dip, but we certainly should get at least one corner out of the next round or two. 

Hall or Robertson---Robertson is the player they like, I think.  I keep dismissing him, but then I watch some game video--SR bowl too--and I change my mind. I mean, he is only 4 inches from being a six footer.

[45catfan]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I just think the starting CB window has closed. 

I was screaming for the CB in the second--but YGM was the pick and should have been.  Then I thought they were trading up for Fulton or someone similar at CB--but I loved the Chinn pick.  So here we are.  We are going to have to sign someone cut or a current free agent. 

I remember they were looking at CBs very late--borderline Undrafted.  I have no idea what they are thinking, but I am guessing that Brady and Brees will notice if you are I are suited up at CB---I'd do it, but I have a feeling Julio Jones might get the best of me on occasion.

It's nearly closed, but not quite.  Not a day 1 starter left for sure, but a promising developmental prospect and maybe a starter in a year or two.   Think Josh Norman.

[45catfan]

4 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Hall or Robertson---Robertson is the player they like, I think.  I keep dismissing him, but then I watch some game video--SR bowl too--and I change my mind. I mean, he is only 4 inches from being a six footer.

There is still Reggie Robinson and L'Jarius Sneed, smaller programs and are CB/S tweeners.  Both have excellent measurables, but the tweener status is hurting them.  Honestly I don't think I saw a more ploarizing player this draft cycle than Robinson.  ESPN doesn't even have him ranked on their BB.  This is not the entire draft cycle, but recently have seen him on BBs as a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and UDFA.  Crazy!

[Martin]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

There is still Reggie Robinson and L'Jarius Sneed, smaller programs and are CB/S tweeners.  Both have excellent measurables, but the tweener status is hurting them.  Honestly I don't think I saw a more ploarizing player this draft cycle than Robinson.  ESPN doesn't even have him ranked on their BB.  This is not the entire draft cycle, but recently have seen him on BBs as a 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th and UDFA.  Crazy!

I’m also interested in Robinson. Good size, athletic etc. Good coaching might be all he needs. Here is Bruglers analysis: 

98. Reggie Robinson II, CB, Tulsa (6-1, 205)
Robinson is physically impressive with his length and athletic profile, showing the coverage awareness and receiver-like traits to make plays on the football. His aggressive mindset is an asset in the run game, but also leads to early contact downfield. Overall, Robinson needs to shore up the undisciplined parts of his game, but his combination of instincts, “my ball” mentality and athletic traits are the building blocks of an NFL starter capable of playing press and zone.

[Shocker]

I want that Badazz guy

 

[Martin]

Leki Fotu is also there for some good DT depth:
 

113. Leki Fotu, DT, Utah (6-5, 330)
Fotu is able to drop his hips, lock out and create a stout anchor to leverage in the run game. With his rugby background, he is a rare athlete for his size and pounces out of his stance, which leads to seductive splash plays on tape, although there are questions about his pass rush upside. Overall, Fotu is still discovering how to be efficient with his unique skill set, but he displays the athletic traits, heavy hands and powerful lower half to be a productive NFL gap plugger.

[panthertime]

I like Bryce Hall with the next pick...maybe even Tyler Biadasz from Wisconsin

[SmartyHurney]

 James Lynch would be solid.

[45catfan]

Lynch would be a Rhule pick, but interior DL is still deep...probably outside of WR the deepest position left.  We can dip back into well in the 5th, 6th or 7th rounds.  We've got our starters. No need to try to replace KK with a 4th rounder this draft.  

CB or OL has to be the next pick at #113.

[ecu88]

We need a CB with size and 100% need Oline interior depth.

 

4th Reggie Robinson II, DB; 6'1 with speed and has played safety before.

5th Keith Ismael, C/G; nice find @MHS831

[pantherj]

Outside of Derrick Brown, Tyler Biadasz C Wisconsin has been the most mocked to us by Huddle fans including myself. He doesn't really fit our offensive system, but I love enormous centers. 

[pantherj]

Leki Fotu, DT, Utah is another Huddle favorite, and a fav of mine as well. I like his long arms, he's massive, but he has really low body fat for a guy his size. He's very lean so he won't get gassed out there like the fat guys. Great run stuffer. Fotu and Biadasz are Huddle mock favorites.

[bigdavis]

Some stats on the little guy: (did he only play against dwarfs?)

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-top-10-cornerbacks-by-coverage-situation

In Single Coverage

Not all coverage is created equal. While zone coverage is far from simple — and there are corners who never fully get a feel for how to play it at a high level — research at PFF has shown single-coverage skills to be more predictive and translatable to the NFL.

The days of everybody playing man coverage every snap may be long gone, but that skill set still gives a very good indication of how a player will cover in most situations. Here are the top 10 corners in the draft class by their performance in single-coverage, ranked by PFF grade.

Rank	Name	Team	PFF grade	TGT	REC	COMP%	RTG
1	Amik Robertson	LA TECH	91.9	40	13	32.5%	19.8

Vs. Clean-pocket throws

Pass-rush and coverage have a symbiotic relationship. Top corners can buy time for the pass-rush to get there and therefore look better, and a top pass-rush can hurry or sack the quarterback, minimizing the time corners have to cover on the back end. Thus, the less pass-rush there is, the harder the cornerback’s job becomes. So, let’s now look at the top cornerbacks when there was no pressure on the play.

Rank	Name	Team	PFF grade	TGT	REC	COMP%	RTG
1	Amik Robertson	LA TECH	92.6	111	66	59.5%

[bigdavis]

and more:

Vs. Passes that were thrown in 3 seconds or less

As I hinted at when I talked about pressure, the longer a corner is asked to cover for, the harder it is for him. Research has indicated that performance on plays up to and including three seconds between snap to throw is a strong critical factor in projecting coverage, so here is that top 10, again over a two-year sample. 

Rank	Name	Team	PFF grade	TGT	REC	COMP%	RTG
1	Trevon Diggs	ALABAMA	92.5	59	24	40.7%	43.5
1	Amik Robertson	LA TECH	92.5	127	70	55.1%	53.1