The 4th Round Big Board for non-scoffers

[Black&BlueBubba]

Everything I read this morning has John Simpson the G from Clemson ranked high.  I know nothing about him.  
 

[MHS831]

Just now, Black&BlueBubba said:

Everything I read this morning has John Simpson the G from Clemson ranked high.  I know nothing about him.  
 

He (from what I read) is a road grader--not the best in pass protection.

[mrcompletely11]

9 minutes ago, Rogue Panther said:

your reasoning is what?

he grades out well on nearly all defensive traits. 

he is physical. 

he is instinctual. 

he is a good tackler. 

if this dude was 6'2 he would be a top 15 pick. 

He is not 6'2 he is 5'8.  I am not saying he cannot develop into the role just that he is not good enough now coming into the league from a small school to walk into the starting nickel job and start cover slot wr's and giving run support.  I get that he is physical, scrappy etc but things just dont work like that.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

I covet o line and CBC but would not like it if we reach. Some tackles in there that can play guard. Hopefully we pick up .  If we don’t pick up there is always some bargain rack signings and cut down pickups. To fill in the roster. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

He is not 6'2 he is 5'8.  I am not saying he cannot develop into the role just that he is not good enough now coming into the league from a small school to walk into the starting nickel job and start cover slot wr's and giving run support.  I get that he is physical, scrappy etc but things just dont work like that.

I would counter that we actually do have the ability to draft some of the promising project guys and let them get reps. We are not going to be good at all, so we do have a unique opportunity to get guys like that reps. 

But, not a fan of little CB's in the modern NFL. 

[kungfoodude]

17 minutes ago, PantherMan89 said:

I know there were several wanting Thaddeus Moss. Is it likely he makes it to our 5th?

Hard pass. He was pretty mediocre in college. I'd rather look at linemen, DB's, impact skill position players, physical freaks, etc. The value on project TE's is low, IMO. We have a guy on the team already that is a project TE with a much higher ceiling. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

I would counter that we actually do have the ability to draft some of the promising project guys and let them get reps. We are not going to be good at all, so we do have a unique opportunity to get guys like that reps. 

But, not a fan of little CB's in the modern NFL. 

Sure but that is different than being ready to play.  I think all of these guys will get reps no matter who it is and they will slowly develop their potential but make no mistake its going to be a bloodbath for 2020.  I am almost 100% sure thats the plan.   Let the young guys take their lumps, get out from these dumb contracts and pick a stud qb next season and go from there

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Sure but that is different than being ready to play.  I think all of these guys will get reps no matter who it is and they will slowly develop their potential but make no mistake its going to be a bloodbath for 2020.  I am almost 100% sure thats the plan.   Let the young guys take their lumps, get out from these dumb contracts and pick a stud qb next season and go from there

Yeah, you can see that with all the 1-3 year rental deals we signed people to. We are just filling out roster spaces to have the parts necessary for a team. Some decent overpaid gambles thrown in for good measure. I think we will be eating poo for a long time until we land "the next QB." Hopefully it is next year because my nightmare would be to see us end up with 5-9 wins and completely torpedo another year of being able to get a franchise QB.

Robertson is a low ceiling guy, IMO. I like that he has some Little Man Syndrome but I can't see a small school guy like that being able to step into a starting slot NFL role either. He didn't see much NFL caliber talent.

 

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Check out Ismael.  I think I like him more than Biasasz or whatever.

Been mocking Ismael him in the 5th for a while.  Can play guard where Biadasz was strictly a center.  Remember positional flexibility.

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

Been mocking Ismael him in the 5th for a while.  Can play guard where Biadasz was strictly a center.  Remember positional flexibility.

Especially depth---I think Ismael has more upside and versatility.  I think fourth is probably too early, but we could trade down and get 2 players. I like the Tackles in round 4, and a C or G in 5.

[MHS831]

What are the chances we draft a QB in round 4?  There are 2 sitting on the shelf--waiting for a home.  Eason and Fromm are some bigger names.  At the beginning of this year, I thought Fromm was a first rounder--Eason was projected to be a second rounder....

We have Bridgewater, an XFL qb, and Grier.  

Are we set there?

Talk me down, somebody.

[45catfan]

3 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Especially depth---I think Ismael has more upside and versatility.  I think fourth is probably too early, but we could trade down and get 2 players. I like the Tackles in round 4, and a C or G in 5.

I think we have to take the best CB in round 4.  It's only several picks in, so likely we will have the pick of what is remaining now, minus a guy or two.  I'm sure the war room is looking hard at the top corner on their board when #113 comes around.  It's not as dire as DT was.  We have several JAGS at CB and I think Burris now plays corner instead of safety.  No need to force a double dip, but we certainly should get at least one corner out of the next round or two. 

[ncfan]

Give Me All that Beef.

 

Pair Fotu and Brown up front.  Will take up near the whole OL

[MHS831]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I think we have to take the best CB in round 4.  It's only several picks in, so likely we will have the pick of what is remaining now, minus a guy or two.  I'm sure the war room is looking hard at the top corner on their board when #113 comes around.  It's not as dire as DT was.  We have several JAGS at CB and I think Burris now plays corner instead of safety.  No need to force a double dip, but we certainly should get at least one corner out of the next round or two. 

I just think the starting CB window has closed. 

I was screaming for the CB in the second--but YGM was the pick and should have been.  Then I thought they were trading up for Fulton or someone similar at CB--but I loved the Chinn pick.  So here we are.  We are going to have to sign someone cut or a current free agent. 

I remember they were looking at CBs very late--borderline Undrafted.  I have no idea what they are thinking, but I am guessing that Brady and Brees will notice if you are I are suited up at CB---I'd do it, but I have a feeling Julio Jones might get the best of me on occasion.