The Panthers have the consensus top draft so far?

[kungfoodude]

31 minutes ago, Zithers2 said:

Derrick Brown over Isaiah Simmons. We're preaching position flexibility and then take a DT who no analyst thinks is going to be a ten sack guy. He could open up opportunities for others I suppose and is a elite run defender... but Simmons solves three issues at once as a LB, safety, and nickel, which are positions we all need to fill. Simmons also isn't fat and will be playing ever snap unlike Brown who will be rotating out like any other DL. Just doesn't seem like as good of a value as we could have gotten at #7. TBF if Simmons weren't on the board I would like it a lot more.

Yetur Gross-Matos had a good game against Ohio State and besides that largely beat up on bad teams. He also joked about pulling "a Sandusky" while hazing some students at Penn St a few months ago. Doesn't seem like the kind of high character guy who helps a locker room that Rhule keeps preaching about! Could have gotten Epenesa, Winfield, Delpit, Blacklock... although I'm biased against any 2nd rounder Hurney takes because he simply cannot hit on 2nd rounders. It's just math and science, so you can't hold this against me.

Jeremy Chinn screams bust to me. How many times has Hurney taken a tweener DB on day 2 and had them flame out? Charles Godfrey, Sherrod Martin, Rashaan Gaulden... you can't fool me four times. You didn't even fool me with Gaulden. I called that guy being a bust immediately and he was cut after like 20 games. Insane athlete but trading up for a kid from Southern Illinois??? Elliott, Dantzler, Hennessy, Cushenberry would have made me more comfortable.

Derrick Brown will probably be on the team for awhile but I don't really see YGM or Chinn working out despite being freak athletes (ironic since Brown tested horribly).

Why are you down on a "tweener" in Chinn but high on a "tweener" in Simmons? All your positives for Simmons could be used for Chinn and all your negatives could be used for Simmons. 

They aren't drastically different players.

[Zithers2]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Why are you down on a "tweener" in Chinn but high on a "tweener" in Simmons? All your positives for Simmons could be used for Chinn and all your negatives could be used for Simmons. 

They aren't drastically different players.

One played in Southern Illinois and had his worst game against one of two FBS teams he faced (the powerhouse known as Arkansas St). Hurney also has a history of taking garbage tweener DBs with Chinn projecting to SS according to most. We also traded up for him.

The other played in two national championships and beasted against the best players in the nation, is 240 lbs, and pretty easily projects as a LB who is athletic enough to act as a moneybacker in certain packages.

 

[kungfoodude]

1 hour ago, Zithers2 said:

One played in Southern Illinois and had his worst game against one of two FBS teams he faced (the powerhouse known as Arkansas St). Hurney also has a history of taking garbage tweener DBs with Chinn projecting to SS according to most. We also traded up for him.

The other played in two national championships and beasted against the best players in the nation, is 240 lbs, and pretty easily projects as a LB who is athletic enough to act as a moneybacker in certain packages.

 

Yeah but Simmons also didn't really play that much at LB at Clemson. His learning curve is going to be a little steeper than a normal top shelf LB prospect will be. 

I have no response to the Hurney Second Round Curse other than at least we finally leaned towards an elite athlete. 

I am fine with a Kam Chancellor type SS, however.

[The Lobo]

Ravens and jets have done well. 

[trucpfan]

5 hours ago, Zithers2 said:

Derrick Brown over Isaiah Simmons. We're preaching position flexibility and then take a DT who no analyst thinks is going to be a ten sack guy. He could open up opportunities for others I suppose and is a elite run defender... but Simmons solves three issues at once as a LB, safety, and nickel, which are positions we all need to fill. Simmons also isn't fat and will be playing ever snap unlike Brown who will be rotating out like any other DL. Just doesn't seem like as good of a value as we could have gotten at #7. TBF if Simmons weren't on the board I would like it a lot more.

Yetur Gross-Matos had a good game against Ohio State and besides that largely beat up on bad teams. He also joked about pulling "a Sandusky" while hazing some students at Penn St a few months ago. Doesn't seem like the kind of high character guy who helps a locker room that Rhule keeps preaching about! Could have gotten Epenesa, Winfield, Delpit, Blacklock... although I'm biased against any 2nd rounder Hurney takes because he simply cannot hit on 2nd rounders. It's just math and science, so you can't hold this against me.

Jeremy Chinn screams bust to me. How many times has Hurney taken a tweener DB on day 2 and had them flame out? Charles Godfrey, Sherrod Martin, Rashaan Gaulden... you can't fool me four times. You didn't even fool me with Gaulden. I called that guy being a bust immediately and he was cut after like 20 games. Insane athlete but trading up for a kid from Southern Illinois??? Elliott, Dantzler, Hennessy, Cushenberry would have made me more comfortable.

 

Let’s start here solve 3 problems in one person WTFFF does that mean. How can he solve more then one problem ever on any given play help me understand your logic please? He can’t man three positions we know that but what do you think he’ll be able to do that will help us with 3 different positions in one player. 

Is it insane Bill Belichick traded up for a player out of Lenoir Ryhne or that’s acceptable just not for us??? You’ve thrown me for a loop so far trying to gain understanding so we can discuss.

[stirs]

6 hours ago, Zithers2 said:

Derrick Brown over Isaiah Simmons. We're preaching position flexibility and then take a DT who no analyst thinks is going to be a ten sack guy. He could open up opportunities for others I suppose and is a elite run defender... but Simmons solves three issues at once as a LB, safety, and nickel, which are positions we all need to fill. Simmons also isn't fat and will be playing ever snap unlike Brown who will be rotating out like any other DL. Just doesn't seem like as good of a value as we could have gotten at #7. TBF if Simmons weren't on the board I would like it a lot more.

Yetur Gross-Matos had a good game against Ohio State and besides that largely beat up on bad teams. He also joked about pulling "a Sandusky" while hazing some students at Penn St a few months ago. Doesn't seem like the kind of high character guy who helps a locker room that Rhule keeps preaching about! Could have gotten Epenesa, Winfield, Delpit, Blacklock... although I'm biased against any 2nd rounder Hurney takes because he simply cannot hit on 2nd rounders. It's just math and science, so you can't hold this against me.

Jeremy Chinn screams bust to me. How many times has Hurney taken a tweener DB on day 2 and had them flame out? Charles Godfrey, Sherrod Martin, Rashaan Gaulden... you can't fool me four times. You didn't even fool me with Gaulden. I called that guy being a bust immediately and he was cut after like 20 games. Insane athlete but trading up for a kid from Southern Illinois??? Elliott, Dantzler, Hennessy, Cushenberry would have made me more comfortable.

Derrick Brown will probably be on the team for awhile but I don't really see YGM or Chinn working out despite being freak athletes (ironic since Brown tested horribly).

I think if you won the lottery, you would be complaining because taxes were taken out

[nctarheelreincarnated]

7 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

"The Ringer" lol CBS NFL.com gave us the only A+ in the first round with the Brown pick. Goes to show draft grades really dont matter

BR gave Carolina a B+. At the end, I think Matt Miller might love our class the most out of any teams. He gave every grade a B or higher. Never gotten that from him, ever. 

[nctarheelreincarnated]

6 hours ago, Panthero said:

Fair enough. I watched brown all season and he was a huge difference maker on an Auburn team with a special needs coach. We only went 9-3 and brown is big reason we were that respectable. He will be a difference maker. 

As for the chinn pick, he seems to have the very positives that you want in simmons. Not as good but a somilar skill set.

I understand the matos consternation. Hes a boom or bust prospect.

All that said, i hear your worries. They arent unreasonable.

Jmo

My reasons for the Brown pick were the same as his, and I get on here and get torched for it. I'm just not a big fan. All of the games I watched from the SEC, and his highlights. He's just stronger than the opposite competition. Doesn't have much finesse to his game at all. I hope somehow it translates, but I'm not sold. 

The rest I was just like it's Hurney, so I have zero faith they workout. But, I do like the chip on YGM. Chinn gets hurt too much though. 

[Zithers2]

1 hour ago, stirs said:

I think if you won the lottery, you would be complaining because taxes were taken out

In all likelihood I am further to the left than anyone on this entire forum, so you're wrong!

[onmyown]

17 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

He’s right for the most part. I’d put Panthers bottom 10 but there are plenty of teams that did better, on paper mind you no one knows. I mean the Vikings are a playoff team and had 10 wins yet had 17 picks in the draft...and did well. If there’s an on paper draft winner...how can that not be it. Cowboys built up their defense very well. Speaking of playoff contenders I’d say the Ravens did better as well. Bengals (duh) and cardinals did well.

Don't agree with saints, 49ers though...

And Browns have a fantastic scouting department and always did well. It’s been evidenced by past players and employees their issue is with coaching, player development and ownership.

With that all said it’s pretty meaningless. Other factors are way more important than on paper draft wins. Browns are a great example. So are Patriots who never win the draft.

 

[CRA]

19 hours ago, Zithers2 said:

i feel like we've had a pretty bad draft.

vikings, ravens, browns, saints, 49ers, cowboys all seem to be doing p good.

We had a great draft. 

Ravens had a good one.  Texans had a strong one if you factor Hopkins 

[weyco2000]

2 hours ago, onmyown said:

He’s right for the most part. I’d put Panthers bottom 10 but there are plenty of teams that did better, on paper mind you no one knows. I mean the Vikings are a playoff team and had 10 wins yet had 17 picks in the draft...and did well. If there’s an on paper draft winner...how can that not be it. Cowboys built up their defense very well. Speaking of playoff contenders I’d say the Ravens did better as well. Bengals (duh) and cardinals did well.

Don't agree with saints, 49ers though...

And Browns have a fantastic scouting department and always did well. It’s been evidenced by past players and employees their issue is with coaching, player development and ownership.

With that all said it’s pretty meaningless. Other factors are way more important than on paper draft wins. Browns are a great example. So are Patriots who never win the draft.

 

 

2 hours ago, onmyown said:

He’s right for the most part. I’d put Panthers bottom 10 but there are plenty of teams that did better, on paper mind you no one knows. I mean the Vikings are a playoff team and had 10 wins yet had 17 picks in the draft...and did well. If there’s an on paper draft winner...how can that not be it. Cowboys built up their defense very well. Speaking of playoff contenders I’d say the Ravens did better as well. Bengals (duh) and cardinals did well.

Don't agree with saints, 49ers though...

And Browns have a fantastic scouting department and always did well. It’s been evidenced by past players and employees their issue is with coaching, player development and ownership.

With that all said it’s pretty meaningless. Other factors are way more important than on paper draft wins. Browns are a great example. So are Patriots who never win the draft.

 

The first 4 picks will be day 1 starters, I'll leave it at that.

[VirginiaMike]

22 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

Going through draft grades from a bunch of different outlets and I have yet to see a grade lower than an A. Most seem to think we landed 3 impact day one starters and I have yet to see any other team who can also claim that. Lets hope we can keep it up and hopefully add a cornerback or two.

What do you guys think? Is there another team you think that has had a better draft than the Panthers through 3 rounds?

DT Derrick Brown combined with DE Yetur Gross-Matos has to give the Panthers an A in the draft alone.

Below link by CBS Sports gives the Panthers a A- overall see below on how I figured out the average grade from link.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/panthers-draft-picks-2020-nfl-draft-order-grades-by-team-carolinas-round-4-7-selections/

 

Showing my work.. lol

Assuming that an F= 0
d- 1
c- 2
c 3
c+ 4
b- 5
b 6
b+ 7
a- 8
a  9
a+ 10

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CBS Panthers grades;    10, 9, 9, 8, 7, 7, and 6 equals = 56 divided by 7 = 8 an A- overall grade

 

[VirginiaMike]

4 minutes ago, VirginiaMike said:

DT Derrick Brown combined with DE Yetur Gross-Matos has to give the Panthers an A in the draft alone.

Below link by CBS Sports gives the Panthers a A- overall see below on how I figured out the average grade from link.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/panthers-draft-picks-2020-nfl-draft-order-grades-by-team-carolinas-round-4-7-selections/

 

Showing my work.. lol

Assuming that an F= 0
d- 1
c- 2
c 3
c+ 4
b- 5
b 6
b+ 7
a- 8
a  9
a+ 10

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CBS Panthers grades;    10, 9, 9, 8, 7, 7, and 6 equals = 56 divided by 7 = 8 an A- overall grade

 

Funny, I went to the main CBS page and they said A+ so I guess my math was wrong.