Where we stand after the draft

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Walter Football has us picking 2nd next year and taking LT Penei Fewell from Oregon. Lawrence #1 to Jags and Fields #3 to Lions. But Walter Football is dumb

Their reasoning is that we believe in Bridgewater. I sincerely hope that is not the case.

[TheProcess]

I can see a season of struggles, but I also think we see these young kids show a lot of promise, this draft so far is my favorite in a long time. We still have holes to fill and improvements to make, but we are off to a good start. Definitely in a rebuild and it will take a few years, but nice start.

[TheProcess]

10 minutes ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Walter Football has us picking 2nd next year and taking LT Penei Fewell from Oregon. Lawrence #1 to Jags and Fields #3 to Lions. But Walter Football is dumb

Fewell is an amazing talent, but Walter Football must hate the Panthers....lol

[Varking]

3 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

Fewell is an amazing talent, but Walter Football must hate the Panthers....lol

Yeah, Lawrence, Fields, Fewell, Chase make for a very loaded top of the draft next year. I’d be happy with any of them. 

[musicman]

8 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Right now the best 3 things we can hope for this coming season is:

1. This season gets Rhule all the experiences he needs as a first time nfl head coach to make the transition.

2. We hit on all our picks this draft, wether cornerstone, backup, role players ect. This will help identify what fa we need to target and set us up to add the next cornerstone pieces in the next two drafts. 

3. We have some master plan for getting a qb, Teddy is good with a bunch of talent around him but he’s not a franchise guy, pray we have a plan and pray it doesn’t involve trading valuable draft picks or players in the process, and pray we don’t whiff   

 

 

 

Well said. Let's just get out there and play and see what we got. With no pressure to win the division we might upset a few teams in the process. 2021 and beyond it's going to get fun around here (I hope). BTW, #3, if Teddy plays great and gets an extension then even better. He was a #1 pick and he did play very well until get got hurt.

[bobcat91]

3 hours ago, bull123 said:

There is no way we are worse on DL, as LY we were historically bad...we are absolutely better

we are gonna really struggle at LB wo Luke and our secondary is awful as it sits right now

our OL will be better, and we upgraded big time at QB

We have better talent on paper on the DL but no experience and no depth. They are going to get manhandled. I am not a Bridgwater fan and don't see him as a real upgrade from Allen. We lost two starters on the OL and have no idea what we have in Okung. That's a step back. Little, who I hated as a pick will now be asked to play a position he has never played and missed half the season last year with injuries. We did not get better there.

[bobcat91]

7 hours ago, Drk89Wng said:

We wont be the worst team in the league next year. If we are by chance and bad luck Idk if taking LAwrence should be the move. Someone will be so desperate for him they will make a Ricky Williams type offer and I for one wouldn’t think twice to take it. Lawrence is great don’t get me wrong but I don’t see him being a game changer for us. Mahomes was the last piece to an already talented roster. We do not have that kind of talent yet. We can try to build up the talent then sign a QB or draft a year or so after. If we do go Lawrence we will surer be waiting a few more years for things to fall in place. Not many free agents will want to come to this poo show unless we over pay because of our lack of consistency and what happened with Cam. I’m all in for whatever works but we spent the last 9 years hoping one player would get us to the promise land, I really don’t want to have to go through that all over again. 

Trevor Lawrence has Payton Manning like skills and can run like a deer. He has HOF type talent that Manning's coach Cutcliffe calls generational. You make damn sure you get him. You certainly dont trade him for anything 

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, bull123 said:

Haynes, Carter, & Miller

late rounders from LY....will they have an impact for us???

They seem to be relatively square pegs for what the coaching staff supposedly wants to do. We have little to no depth at DE and OLB so you have to assume they are going to get reps by default. 

I guess we will see what they have. There really aren't going to be many benefits to eating a LOT of poo next season on the field but at least we will get a real look at what was left on the roster after we nuked it. All of these guys that Rivera and Co. buried will finally get field time so we can see if they were buried for a reason or Ron was just doing his usual "veteran favorites" BS.

[Sgt Schultz]

A few stray thoughts.

Right now, the name recognition/expected talent last year was better.  Let's not forget, our HC and GM essentially were pushing all the chips they had to the center of the table, because everybody expected it to be "this year or else."  That is about the opposite of the mantra this year.

That said, name recognition/past performance talent does not win football games.  At some point, the team quit, IMO.  Rivera's message either got old, or the fact that he was a dead man walking sapped the life out of the players, or maybe they never had much team chemistry to begin with.  They looked as if they were putting in their time.  In a word, they underperformed.

Our DL looks better on paper.  If so, that may make out LBs better, even though we lost the heart of that group.  If the LBs can be LBs and not be taking on the OL on every play, the front seven as a group should improve.  A strong DL can make a weak secondary look serviceable.

Just having a cohesive defensive scheme should help some.  Last year, we were switching to a hybrid 3-4, only we didn't really have the pieces to do so.  And we did switch, until we didn't, or we tried, or something, nobody quite knows what.  Whether we were a 4-3, 3-4, 2-5, or 0-11 was hard to define.  I don't have a problem switching the scheme depending on the situation, but we did not do that, either.  The result was the defense often looked confused.

Our WR depth looks better.  It is too soon to tell, but I think the days are gone where our offensive scheme was "we have Cam and CMC."

I don't have any expectations, but I am also not one of those slobbering all over themselves screaming "OMG, this is the werst teem in histery.  Thay wont win a gaem for tree yeers."   I'd much rather watch a team of young players lose games they are trying to win, and developing in the process, than a group of patched-together pieces look confused and like they don't really care.  The latter is what I saw in the second half of last season. 

Who knows, maybe this group can actually overachieve (now there is a concept) and make it a fun season to watch.  Fun to watch doesn't mean playoffs or even necessarily a lot of wins, but a feeling they are headed in the right direction....or some direction.  I haven't known what direction this team was headed in a long time, largely because we were playing checkers on the chess board.

 

[SOJA]

2 hours ago, Daddy_Uncle said:

Walter Football has us picking 2nd next year and taking LT Penei Sewell from Oregon. Lawrence #1 to Jags and Fields #3 to Lions. But Walter Football is dumb

walter football are literally idiots 

[Growl]

11 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

Right now the best 3 things we can hope for this coming season is:

1. This season gets Rhule all the experiences he needs as a first time nfl head coach to make the transition.

2. We hit on all our picks this draft, wether cornerstone, backup, role players ect. This will help identify what fa we need to target and set us up to add the next cornerstone pieces in the next two drafts. 

3. We have some master plan for getting a qb, Teddy is good with a bunch of talent around him but he’s not a franchise guy, pray we have a plan and pray it doesn’t involve trading valuable draft picks or players in the process, and pray we don’t whiff   

 

 

 

So you want us to win a lot of games, draft an elite QB prospect, and not give up anything, to do it

It isnt going to happen. The team is going to have to make big, hard, aggressive decisions. Your entire plan centers around hoping for the best.

 

[Growl]

I can't believe we still have people making the "build an elite roster, then you can get an elite QB" argument

Just how much do you have to be made fun of before you stop saying that.

The Chiefs weren't "one piece away" that "just needed a QB" when they drafted Patrick mahomes. The chiefs still aren't even *that* good.

But they have one elite player at the only position that really matters.

[stbugs]

10 minutes ago, Growl said:

I can't believe we still have people making the "build an elite roster, then you can get an elite QB" argument

Just how much do you have to be made fun of before you stop saying that.

The Chiefs weren't "one piece away" that "just needed a QB" when they drafted Patrick mahomes. The chiefs still aren't even *that* good.

But they have one elite player at the only position that really matters.

The Chiefs were 33-15 the 3 years before Mahomes started. They were basically one piece (and a little luck) away and Alex Smith wasn’t a bad QB, just not great. They already had a lot of talent like Hill, Kelce and Chris Jones. They just couldn’t win in the playoffs when it mattered.

I can only hope in a few years we are *that* good enough to win a Super Bowl. We were *that* good and lost the Super Bowl.

That said, I’d rather not be stupid and avoid a Lawrence or Fields because we aren’t elite. If you have an elite roster already that’s when a Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson can win you a SB.

[stbugs]

I really like what Rhule’s (no doubt in my mind who’s running it) done in the draft. That’s said, these guys are rookies and they aren’t going to have an offseason. Our D is still going to be very suspect this year. It will get better but we are relying on youth and we don’t have Luke out there helping. I also don’t believe in Teddy at all.

I hope we get the young guys experience and still finish 3-13 and get Lawrence and take off from there.