TRADE UP: Round 2, Pick 64 Carolina Panthers select S Jeremy Chinn

[45catfan]

29 minutes ago, GOAT said:

break down for me how a QB like Foles won a SB and a QB like Teddy can't please.

500 words minimum. go.

 

We don't have 'Philly Special' in our playbook.   Nailed it! 

[Ship]

Walter football compared him to Kam Chancellor. Say what you want about the source but Chinn plays that enforcer role and is violent. Would love that on our team plus he has ball skills.

[KSpan]

39 minutes ago, GOAT said:

break down for me how a QB like Foles won a SB and a QB like Teddy can't please.

500 words minimum. go.

 

Silly comparison. Foles only started 3 regular season games that year and the whole team got hot at the right time, as any team can do, and as has already been mentioned the most notable SB moment was a coaching decision that had Foles catching the ball rather than throwing it. The 2007 and 2011 Giants, 2010 Packers, or for individuals 2009 Matt Moore, early 2019 Kyle Allen, etc are examples. Foles has been average-to-poor during his time as a full-time starter and will clearly not be leading a team to an SB win as a full-time starter. Big difference between that and being the starter for an entire season, a la Alex Smith.

I am not saying Bridgewater is on the level of Moore or Allen - he is better. However, he is not at this time a player who will carry an entire team or elevate those around him. If that changes then I'll be the first to say I'm wrong.

For reference, I live in KC and watched the Alex Smith years firsthand and those teams not have the Mahomes-esque ability to overcome better teams. Hell, even Mahomes couldn't overcome Bob Sutton and poor defense in 2018. That is definitely a Bridgewater-led team's ceiling without an elite defense.

[GOAT]

11 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Silly comparison. Foles only started 3 regular season games that year and the whole team got hot at the right time, as any team can do and as has already been mentioned the most notable SB moment was a coaching decision that had Foles catching the ball rather than throwing it. The 2007 and 2011 Giants, 2010 Packers, or for individuals 2009 Matt Moore, early 2019 Kyle Allen, etc are examples. Foles has been average-to-poor during his time as a full-time starter and will clearly not be leading a team to an SB win as a full-time starter. Big difference between that and being the starter for an entire season, a la Alex Smith.

I am not saying Bridgewater is on the level of Moore or Allen - he is better. However, he is not at this time a player who will carry an entire team or elevate those around him. If that changes then I'll be the first to say I'm wrong.

For reference, I live in KC and watched the Alex Smith years firsthand and those teams not have the Mahomes-esque ability to overcome better teams. Hell, even Mahomes couldn't overcome Bob Sutton and poor defense in 2018. That is definitely a Bridgewater-led team's ceiling without an elite defense.

stopped reading here. You nailed my point, thx.

[KSpan]

13 minutes ago, GOAT said:

stopped reading here. You nailed my point, thx.

Unfortunate, as the remainder of my paragraph explained the significance of that and you've provided nothing supporting your premise. Those teams were even in position to get hot because they were led by HOF QBs (Manning, Rodgers) and an MVP-type year from Wentz. You show me what makes you think Bridgewater can provide that level of play.

This is off-topic for this thread so I'll add that I think a guy like Chinn can provide a boost towards that level of defense that will be necessary to support a Bridgewater-led team that will have to make minimal mistakes and will be heavily reliant on scheme and talent around him to excel and score points. 

[trueblade]

15 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

He is a scout.

[BurnHurnBurn]

Has anybody said Chinn-sanity yet?

If not?  there you go.

[BurnHurnBurn]

6 hours ago, GOAT said:

break down for me how a QB like Foles won a SB and a QB like Teddy can't please.

500 words minimum. go.

 

Dan Marino - No ring

Trent Dilfer - Ring

Peyton Manning - 1 ring and 1 parting gift.

Cam Newton - No ring

Life isn't fair.

 

[SnowPanther]

6 hours ago, KatsAzz said:

Jeremy Chinn DB, Southern Illinois Salukis

Panthers traded up to select Southern Illinois S Jeremy Chinn with the No. 64 overall pick in the 2020 NFL Draft.

The Panthers could have drafted Isaiah Simmons at 7th overall but find a similar player 57 picks later. Chinn (6’3/221) was a four-year starter at FCS Southern Illinois who earned an NFL Combine invite after a second-team AP All-American senior season. In Indianapolis, he showcased 98th percentile Adjusted SPARQ athleticism with elite speed (4.45 forty) and explosion (41-inch vertical, 138-inch broad). A slot corner turned safety, Chinn was a powerful hitter against the run and as a blitzer, but he will be exposed one-on-one at the next level if his eyes continue to be glued to the quarterback. Chinn’s floor is a high-level special teamer and depth option in the secondary, but he could be a valuable defender against tight ends and running backs if his coverage skills take a leap with NFL coaching. It’s certainly possible that Chinn plays more linebacker in the NFL.

That’s why they traded up to get him. They liked Simmons but saw more value on the D-line. He’s a similar player and they made their move.

[KSpan]

12 minutes ago, BurnHurnBurn said:

Dan Marino - No ring

Trent Dilfer - Ring

Peyton Manning - 1 ring and 1 parting gift.

Cam Newton - No ring

Life isn't fair.

 

Yup. Brad Johnson, Dilfer, and Peyton Manning's husk all got rings on the back of the type of defense that will be needed to get Bridgewater there as well.

[BurnHurnBurn]

6 hours ago, KSpan said:

Yup. Brad Johnson, Dilfer, and Peyton Manning's husk all got rings on the back of the type of defense that will be needed to get Bridgewater there as well.

Brad freaking Johnson...how did I forget that specimen?  Has he made the Hall yet?

[MMA]

Jeremy Chinn (nfl.com) 
 

NFL Comparison

Harrison Smith

• Footwork and athleticism of a big cornerback

^^^^^^^ That is exactly the same thing that Deion Sanders said about Harrison Smith during the combine. I’m excited about Chinn. 

[Shocker]

34 minutes ago, MMA said:

Jeremy Chinn (nfl.com) 
 

NFL Comparison

Harrison Smith

• Footwork and athleticism of a big cornerback

^^^^^^^ That is exactly the same thing that Deion Sanders said about Harrison Smith during the combine. I’m excited about Chinn. 

My favorite pick in this draft.  Really looking forward to seeing him this year.

[LinvilleGorge]

24 minutes ago, Shocker said:

My favorite pick in this draft.  Really looking forward to seeing him this year.

Don't get your hopes too high. A small school rookie playing on what is likely to be a pretty poor overall defense... eh, it's gonna be ugly at times.