MHS’s 2nd and 3rd Round big Board and bonus knowledge Galore

[MHS831]

MHS’s 2^nd and 3^rd Round big Board and bonus knowledge galore

(subject to change and it will at any given moment)

Of course, CB is now the obvious priority, so the big board will be based on that premise. Anyone ranked ahead of a CB is a player I would take in spite of our need at CB.  I will not include positions that I think we do not need, such as RB.  Other positions, such as WR or TE, have some good talent and depth, but might upgrade our situation, so that player is on the board, just lower than need positions.  All other picks are based on needs, just not necessarily immediate needs.  For example, you need a solid retirement, and that is important; but you also need to eat when you are hungry.  Careful planning should allow you to meet both needs.  Back to football—I did not list any DTs in this list, even though we could add one later.  I figured that one or two players not on this list will be drafted before we pick, and there are only 5 picks before we pick, it is reasonable to see a trade back here or us getting our guy. I smell a trade back—but if a DE is on the board, we probably take him.  My list:

1.      Jaylon Johnson, CB:  Playmaking CB that can ball.  Underrated, so he could drop to us.  If so, I take him.  I am higher on him than most, however, but I just think he is a #1 CB.  He will be picked earlier than most think (rated in the 40s).

2.      Xavier McKinney  S:  I am not one of the people who thinks all Bama DBs are bad, but you have to be careful.  I simply think that Boston/Burris are both borderline starters at best, and McKinney is a good value at 38 considering that he is the best S in this draft.

3.      Kristian Fulton, CB: With the defensive front, it is hard to gauge just how good Fulton is, but he seems like one of the top CBs left.  Many had him with a first round grade.

4.      AJ Epenesa, DE:  A bad combine may have dropped him, and I think this is a big boom/bust candidate, but his upside is tremendous and would serve us well—an 8 sack guy who can hold the edge---I would take that.

5.      Yeter Gross-Matos DE:  I do not see him dropping to us at 38 but if he does, change everything-- I like him as a 4-3 DE. 

6.      Josh Jones, OT:  Later tape showed tremendous improvement than early on. Starter who would have been a first rounder last year or next season.  Victim of stellar T draft.  LT prospect.

7.      Lucas Niang OT:  Long arms and smart.  Athletic.  Go ahead and move Daley to G and develop Niang for a season and let him compete with Little for the LT job.

8.      Denzil Mims, WR:  I did not want to go here, but Mims in round 2 is a value.  Rhule might be pounding the table over Mims when he is there at 38.

9.      Trevon Diggs, CB:  Good zone CB, if that is what we are doing, bad tackler. 

10.    Laviska Shenault Jr. WR.  Big, versatile WR with good results after the catch.  X WR.

11.   Jeremy Chinn, S:  I love his versatility, size, speed, ball hawking---a gem.  Marty, if you want to find a small school sleeper so you can feel smart, look to Southern Illinois—not Hickory.

12.   Grant Delpit, S:  I wanted to put him higher, based on reputation, but I watched some video and do not see him as a good fit—and I do not know what he would be fitting into (Defense).

13.   Zach Baun, OLB:  Versatile LB who might be best suited for a 3-4 if he stays outside, but he is a talent that can play many spots.  I am guessing that he goes early to a 3-4 team, but he is very smart and very athletic—MLB?  Because I think he would necessitate a position switch here, I probably do not touch this guy, but he is a good, smart player, and we like versatility.

 

How MHS sees the top of Round 2 going:

33.  Cincinnati:  A.J. Epenesa, EDGE, Iowa:   DE/Edge biggest need on Day 2.

34. Indianapolis:  Laviska Shenault Jr.  WR, Colorado:  Developmental QB (I am guessing Eason later) and WR biggest needs.  Getting Rivers some targets would be preferred.  Mims is an other option.

35.  Detroit: Ross Blacklock IDL, TCU.  This nearly HAS to be DT or DE. 

36. NY Giants: Xavier McKinney  S, Alabama.  Will Gettlemen resist the best S in the draft?  Nope, but this could also be Delpit, but I think the value at S vs. the Giant needs is too real.

37. New England: Zach Braun, OLB, Wisconsin.  This pick should be QB or WR, but the Patriots have so much to trade up with, I expect they will get the BPA at a need position, and later trade up for Eason or Fromm.  This is difficult to predict because Belichick is going to be moving all over day 2 with trades.

38.  Carolina:  Yeter Gross-Matos, DE.  A solid second round choice that meets a need.  Why not go CB? I really wanted Jaylon Johnson, CB, Utah but he played through a 2018 injury in 2019 and had shoulder surgery AFTER the combine.  That is likely to scare teams off—he could drop, and maybe this is too high for him for that reason.  Maybe we should take Fulton, Diggs, or Dantzler—not at 38:  If we trade back, we probably lose Gross-Moss.  Take Moss, then find a way back up into the late second round for that CB.  Trade the 3^rd, 4^th, and a 5^th.  If we walked away with a CB, DT, and DE on days 1 and 2, I would call whatever happens with the second 5^th, 6^th, and 7^th a win. Mims at WR is another option.

[mattnasty919]

Good read OP, I would certainly be fine with any of the top 6 on your list on day 2. I personally am hoping for Epenesa/Gross-Matos in the 2nd and getting a LB/DB in the 3rd. 

Won't be mad at all though if we wind up with DB's Jones, Fuller, McKinney, Diggs or Winfield Jr. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

I would be very happy with that pick. 

[45catfan]

Johnson's shoulder surgery was deemed successful with a speedy and full recovery expected.  He will be ready for the season.   The shoulder surgery is well documented, but this entire time of the pre-draft his draft stock has steadily risen. 

[JARROD]

39 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

MHS’s 2^nd and 3^rd Round big Board and bonus knowledge galore

 

(subject to change and it will at any given moment)

Of course, CB is now the obvious priority, so the big board will be based on that premise. Anyone ranked ahead of a CB is a player I would take in spite of our need at CB.  I will not include positions that I think we do not need, such as RB.  Other positions, such as WR or TE, have some good talent and depth, but might upgrade our situation, so that player is on the board, just lower than need positions.  All other picks are based on needs, just not necessarily immediate needs.  For example, you need a solid retirement, and that is important; but you also need to eat when you are hungry.  Careful planning should allow you to meet both needs.  Back to football—I did not list any DTs in this list, even though we could add one later.  I figured that one or two players not on this list will be drafted before we pick, and there are only 5 picks before we pick, it is reasonable to see a trade back here or us getting our guy. I smell a trade back—but if a DE is on the board, we probably take him.  My list:

 

1.      Jaylon Johnson, CB:  Playmaking CB that can ball.  Underrated, so he could drop to us.  If so, I take him.  I am higher on him than most, however, but I just think he is a #1 CB.  He will be picked earlier than most think (rated in the 40s).

 

2.      Xavier McKinney  S:  I am not one of the people who thinks all Bama DBs are bad, but you have to be careful.  I simply think that Boston/Burris are both borderline starters at best, and McKinney is a good value at 38 considering that he is the best S in this draft.

 

3.      Kristian Fulton, CB: With the defensive front, it is hard to gauge just how good Fulton is, but he seems like one of the top CBs left.  Many had him with a first round grade.

 

4.      AJ Epenesa, DE:  A bad combine may have dropped him, and I think this is a big boom/bust candidate, but his upside is tremendous and would serve us well—an 8 sack guy who can hold the edge---I would take that.

 

5.      Yeter Gross-Matos DE:  I do not see him dropping to us at 38 but if he does, change everything-- I like him as a 4-3 DE. 

 

6.      Josh Jones, OT:  Later tape showed tremendous improvement than early on. Starter who would have been a first rounder last year or next season.  Victim of stellar T draft.  LT prospect.

 

7.      Lucas Niang OT:  Long arms and smart.  Athletic.  Go ahead and move Daley to G and develop Niang for a season and let him compete with Little for the LT job.

 

8.      Denzil Mims, WR:  I did not want to go here, but Mims in round 2 is a value.  Rhule might be pounding the table over Mims when he is there at 38.

 

9.      Trevon Diggs, CB:  Good zone CB, if that is what we are doing, bad tackler. 

 

10.    Laviska Shenault Jr. WR.  Big, versatile WR with good results after the catch.  X WR.

 

11.   Jeremy Chinn, S:  I love his versatility, size, speed, ball hawking---a gem.  Marty, if you want to find a small school sleeper so you can feel smart, look to Southern Illinois—not Hickory.

 

12.   Grant Delpit, S:  I wanted to put him higher, based on reputation, but I watched some video and do not see him as a good fit—and I do not know what he would be fitting into (Defense).

 

13.   Zach Baun, OLB:  Versatile LB who might be best suited for a 3-4 if he stays outside, but he is a talent that can play many spots.  I am guessing that he goes early to a 3-4 team, but he is very smart and very athletic—MLB?  Because I think he would necessitate a position switch here, I probably do not touch this guy, but he is a good, smart player, and we like versatility.

 

 

 

How MHS sees the top of Round 2 going:

 

33.  Cincinnati:  A.J. Epenesa, EDGE, Iowa:   DE/Edge biggest need on Day 2.

 

34. Indianapolis:  Laviska Shenault Jr.  WR, Colorado:  Developmental QB (I am guessing Eason later) and WR biggest needs.  Getting Rivers some targets would be preferred.  Mims is an other option.

 

35.  Detroit: Ross Blacklock IDL, TCU.  This nearly HAS to be DT or DE. 

 

36. NY Giants: Xavier McKinney  S, Alabama.  Will Gettlemen resist the best S in the draft?  Nope, but this could also be Delpit, but I think the value at S vs. the Giant needs is too real.

 

37. New England: Zach Braun, OLB, Wisconsin.  This pick should be QB or WR, but the Patriots have so much to trade up with, I expect they will get the BPA at a need position, and later trade up for Eason or Fromm.  This is difficult to predict because Belichick is going to be moving all over day 2 with trades.

 

38.  Carolina:  Yeter Gross-Matos, DE.  A solid second round choice that meets a need.  Why not go CB? I really wanted Jaylon Johnson, CB, Utah but he played through a 2018 injury in 2019 and had shoulder surgery AFTER the combine.  That is likely to scare teams off—he could drop, and maybe this is too high for him for that reason.  Maybe we should take Fulton, Diggs, or Dantzler—not at 38:  If we trade back, we probably lose Gross-Moss.  Take Moss, then find a way back up into the late second round for that CB.  Trade the 3^rd, 4^th, and a 5^th.  If we walked away with a CB, DT, and DE on days 1 and 2, I would call whatever happens with the second 5^th, 6^th, and 7^th a win. Mims at WR is another option.

 

I’ve seen enough shittacklers so I don’t want any that have that moniker... scratch out all of them.

i also don’t want a DE That has no athletic ability... see Clelin Ferrel for reference...

I do like McKinney for our pick of he makes it... my first pick. Jaylon Johnson or Yeter Gross Matos— and I love watching Mims. That guy fights for the ball and comes down with it.  Steve Smith is the only other guy we’ve had that did that.

josh jones looks great too

those are my 2nd picks 

[Shocker]

Trevon Diggs for me

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, Shocker said:

Trevon Diggs for me

You can tackle better than he does...

don’t want him for that reason. We’ve all seen enough of bad tackling.

[Shocker]

Just now, JARROD said:

You can tackle better than he does...

don’t want him for that reason. We’ve all seen enough of bad tackling.

Wrong thats bullshet...Diggs is light years better that Johnson who has the stiffest hips in the draft.

[hepcat]

If they pick Mims, I really hope they can get a good value for Samuel and double down in the 2nd round.

[JARROD]

1 minute ago, Shocker said:

Wrong thats bullshet...Diggs is light years better that Johnson who has the stiffest hips in the draft.

That’s why my favorite for the pick is Xavier McKinney.

i think he can play corner better than either of them. He can play any secondary position, tackles like a MF and and is a ballhawk too

[Shocker]

Just now, JARROD said:

That’s why my favorite for the pick is Xavier McKinney.

i think he can play corner better than either of them. He can play any secondary position, tackles like a MF and and is a ballhawk too

McKinney is a different story...he is the best player left.

[JARROD]

3 minutes ago, Shocker said:

McKinney is a different story...he is the best player left.

Yep,.. mocks have him to Getts and NYG... which will piss me off.

i do like the highlights for Diggs.. impossible to dislike him from the highlights.

then I look at the bad tackling film... he’s terrible. He has no “want to” for tackling.

so if it’s in the air and he can break it up or IT great.. but if it’s caught I wouldn’t trust him to tackle ME!

im watching Kristian Fulton now.

[CanadianCat]

I would go EDGE in the 2nd. 

I dont think a CB in the 2nd will fix our secondary. I do feel like we have a better chance at fixing it with a better pass rush. 

[Shocker]

6 minutes ago, JARROD said:

Yep,.. mocks have him to Getts and NYG... which will piss me off.

i do like the highlights for Diggs.. impossible to dislike him from the highlights.

then I look at the bad tackling film... he’s terrible. He has no “want to” for tackling.

so if it’s in the air and he can break it up or IT great.. but if it’s caught I wouldn’t trust him to tackle ME!

im watching Kristian Fulton now.

Diggs is a late bloomer that moved from WR but long, athletic and great size.  Great at press man.  Not perfect but clay to mold.