The only reason why we picked Derrick Brown

[Madwolf]

15 minutes ago, Yaboychris28 said:

To win, you have to risks. Being content with Teddy Bridgwater is like a guy only performs missionary on his wife and works the same 9-5 job his entire life.

[run-run-pass-punt]

16 minutes ago, Yaboychris28 said:

To win, you have to risks. Being content with Teddy Bridgwater is like a guy only performs missionary on his wife and works the same 9-5 job his entire life.

I'd much rather risk putting the best team I can on the field and draft the best player we can wherever we happen to draft.

[Smithers]

So we picked the most dominant DT in the draft, only to tank for Trevor?  Lol.  Idiot

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

Any future prospect is an unknown at the NFL level. To say you want to lose in order to acquire an unknown commodity makes little sense to me. That is my point.

You are not guaranteed a savior by losing. So to do so, and intentionally as some wish, is just antithetical to the nature of competition - to the spirit of sport.

Ok well then we should never even bother drafting anyone or signing a FA. Do you invest in stocks? Probably shouldn’t bother since nothing is guaranteed.

You have to make choices. Sure Lawrence hasn’t played but if his ranking puts him at a Peyton Manning level prospect then limping along with Teddy just for the spirit of the sport is dumb. Well son, we did finish 5-11 five years in a row and Burrow, Lawrence and Fields are leading their teams to the playoffs again, but dagummit, we sure did try and compete and that’s all that matters.

So funny that people enjoyed the Cam years until the last two but they sure want to ignore that we were the worst team in the league in 2010 and that’s how we got Cam and went on a great run. God forbid we suck a year and do it again. Gotta keep the spirit of the game alive and get to 8-8 and hope NO and Tamp don’t reload their QBs before we do. Go Teddy, get those 20 TD passes again!

[run-run-pass-punt]

3 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Ok well then we should never even bother drafting anyone or signing a FA. Do you invest in stocks? Probably shouldn’t bother since nothing is guaranteed.

 

I'm not suggesting we don't draft or sign anyone, lol. Yes there is risk, and you accept that risk.

Do you think losing on purpose is not without huge risk on the negative side of the risk/reward equation?

You have a group of professional athletes on a team that have made it to where they are via competition, through giving their all to be the best that they could be. To put the brakes on that mentality in any form can be incredibly corrosive to winning culture.

Momentum is a thing in life and in sport. I don't think it's very wise to tamper with that mentality (the competitive fire) by casually accepting losing - for any duration.

I really don't understand the way some of you guys think.

[Madwolf]

I mean, I understand the thought process behind losing for the best draft pick, but for the life of me I can't stand it. There are just way to many variables for me to truly believe that method works, and there's just as much evidence to support it not working as there is that it does.

I'm with @run-run-pass-punt on this line of thinking.

[stbugs]

8 minutes ago, run-run-pass-punt said:

I'm not suggesting we don't draft or sign anyone, lol. Yes there is risk, and you accept that risk.

Do you think losing on purpose is not without huge risk on the negative side of the risk/reward equation?

You have a group of professional athletes on a team that have made it to where they are via competition, through giving their all to be the best that they could be. To put the brakes on that mentality in any form can be incredibly corrosive to winning culture.

Momentum is a thing in life and in sport. I don't think it's very wise to tamper with that mentality (the competitive fire) by casually accepting losing - for any duration.

I really don't understand the way some of you guys think.

Some of us are a bit more analytical and forward thinking, it’s not a bad thing.

I think the thing you don’t understand is that a GM and front office can set the team up to not have enough talent. I think you guys falsely (since you think bolding makes your thinking correct) equate losing to installing some sort of loser’s mentality. We went 1-15 in 2001 and 7-9 in 2002. It didn’t make us think losing was OK. It got us Peppers and Gross and helped us go to the SB. We went 2-14 in 2011 and 6-10 in 2012. It again didn’t make us think losing was OK. We got Cam and Luke and went to the SB and were in the playoffs 4 out of 5 years.

Your assumptions that every team that has a bad year will become the sad sack Browns is wrong. The Browns prove the exception that you can draft so badly that you spend years at the bottom. It wasn’t a loser’s mentality that got the Browns it was outright awful, probably historically worst ever, drafting for years.

Please do tell me how we overcame those awful years which you think should have crushed our competitive spirit and started years of losing. Oh, that’s right we drafted HOF talents because we had top picks.

Also, tanking does not equal trying to lose or not trying to compete. Did the end of 2018 and 2019 look like a winner’s mentality to you? It sure didn’t to me and we spent like crazy, traded up and drafted for need. Didn’t help us and you know what, we aren’t making the playoffs this year either and it’s just plain lack of all around talent and not having a Cam at QB. Having a franchise QB amazingly cures your worries about a loser’s mentality. We don’t have that now and likely won’t for who knows how long as we trade in the 5-11 to 8-8 zone.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

All signs suggest Carolina is going to make every effort to remain competitive while transforming the team's culture. This coming season may be ugly, possibly very ugly, but it won't be because the Panthers are intentionally tanking.

 

 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

All signs suggest Carolina is going to make every effort to remain competitive while transforming the team's culture. This coming season may be ugly, possibly very ugly, but it won't be because the Panthers are intentionally tanking.

 

 

I've been saying this for sometime now.   Seems most can't grasp that concept.

[jfo89]

3 hours ago, grimesgoat said:

Why is traded and first round in quotes?

Reality is a suggestion? 

[stbugs]

17 minutes ago, Madwolf said:

I mean, I understand the thought process behind losing for the best draft pick, but for the life of me I can't stand it. There are just way to many variables for me to truly believe that method works, and there's just as much evidence to support it not working as there is that it does.

I'm with @run-run-pass-punt on this line of thinking.

Look at our history. Our two best years and playoff run periods were directly due to horrible years with Clausen and Weinke at QB. It’s almost as if those years didn’t happen in some people’s minds.

Look at the Colts history. From 1978 to 1997 they had 9 wins as their most amount of wins. Two #1 picks later and from 1998 to 2018, they had 10 or more wins/made the playoffs 15 out of 21 years. 3 of the 6 non-10 win seasons were seasons where Manning and Luck were hurt and played no games twice and 7 games once.

Not every horrible season turns into a stud, but Lawrence and Fields are in that Manning/Luck rankings and we’d be stupid trying to avoid our second Cam. Who wants prolonged success over competing to get to 9 wins. No guarantee but I’d sure bet on the teams who get those two to be successful/playoff teams. 

[NanuqoftheNorth]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I've been saying this for sometime now.   Seems most can't grasp that concept.

Yeah, it is hard to envision how a coaching staff could create a winning culture by intentionally tanking a season.   

[Jon Snow]

Just now, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Yeah, it is hard to envision how a coaching staff could create a winning culture by intentionally tanking a season.   

They won't intentionally tank.  They will fight for every win, they just won't have enough talent at first to win many games.  It will take a couple of good drafts to start seeing it pay off.

[Madwolf]

6 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Look at our history. Our two best years and playoff run periods were directly due to horrible years with Clausen and Weinke at QB. It’s almost as if those years didn’t happen in some people’s minds.

Look at the Colts history. From 1978 to 1997 they had 9 wins as their most amount of wins. Two #1 picks later and from 1998 to 2018, they had 10 or more wins/made the playoffs 15 out of 21 years. 3 of the 6 non-10 win seasons were seasons where Manning and Luck were hurt and played no games twice and 7 games once.

Not every horrible season turns into a stud, but Lawrence and Fields are in that Manning/Luck rankings and we’d be stupid trying to avoid our second Cam. Who wants prolonged success over competing to get to 9 wins. No guarantee but I’d sure bet on the teams who get those two to be successful/playoff teams. 

Do we go to the Super Bowl in 2003 with Weinke or Rodney Peete at QB?

There's more to us getting there than simply getting a great draft pick. You have to manage the roster well in all phases of the year.