QB Wonderlic scores

[RASTAN66]

8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Well higher SAT/ACT scores and greater "college success" do not seem to correlate particularly strongly. 

 

8 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Nor does success in school correlate with success in the workplace.

Where might you guy be sourcing backup for such opinions?

Doesn't add up.

[bigdavis]

This should tell you all you want to know about the Wonderlic, re the NFL:

The Wonderlic test is used in the NFL Scouting Combine. Paul Brown introduced the test to the league in the late 1960s.^[33] According to Paul Zimmerman's The New Thinking Man's Guide to Pro Football, the average score of an NFL player according to position is the following:^[34]

• Offensive tackle – 26
• Center – 25
• Quarterback – 24
• Guard – 23
• Tight end – 22
• Safety – 19
• Linebacker – 19
• Cornerback – 18
• Wide receiver – 17
• Fullback – 17
• Halfback – 16

An average football player usually scores around 20 points.^[11] Quarterbacks and offensive linemen usually have higher scores.^[33] Most teams want at least 21 for a quarterback.^[35]

Some notable players who scored well below the average include:

• Darren Davis - 4 (Undrafted, later played Canadian Football)^[36]
• Morris Claiborne – 4 (first-round pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, lowest score ever known by an NFL player)^[37]
• Mario Manningham – 6 (third-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft)^[38]
• Frank Gore – 6 (third-round pick in the 2005 NFL Draft)^[39]
• Vince Young - 6 (third overall pick of the 2006 NFL Draft, Young was re-administered the test the following day and scored a 16)^[40][36]
• Tavon Austin – 7 (first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft)^[41]
• Terrelle Pryor – 7 (third-round pick in the 2011 NFL Supplemental Draft)^[42]
• Carlos Hyde – 9 (second round pick in the 2014 NFL Draft)^[43]
• Travis Henry – 9 (second-round pick in the 2001 NFL Draft)^[44]
• Sebastian Janikowski - 9 (first round pick in the 2000 NFL Draft)^[36]
• Charles Rogers – 10 (second overall pick in the 2003 NFL Draft)^[41]
• Jeff George – 10 (first overall pick in the 1990 NFL Draft)^[45][46]
• Darrelle Revis - 10 (first-round pick in the 2007 NFL Draft)^[47]
• Keyshawn Johnson - 11 (first overall pick in the 1996 NFL Draft])^[48]
• Cordarrelle Patterson – 11 (first-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft)^[41]
• Tua Tagovailoa - 13 (upcoming pick in the 2020 NFL Draft)^[49]
• Ray Lewis – 13 (first-round pick in the 1996 NFL Draft, Hall of Fame inductee)^[48]
• Simeon Rice - 13 (third overall pick in the 1996 NFL Draft)^[48]
• Lamar Jackson - 13 (first-round pick of the 2018 NFL Draft)^[50]
• Jim Kelly - 15 (first round pick in the 1983 NFL Draft, Hall of Fame inductee)^[51]
• Donovan McNabb - 14 or 15 (second overall pick of the 1999 NFL Draft)^[52][51]

Some notable players who scored well above the average include:

• Trace McSorley - 31 (sixth round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft)^[53]
• Matt Ryan - 32 (third overall pick in the 2008 NFL Draft)^[51]
• Tom Brady - 33 (sixth round pick in the 2000 NFL Draft)^[51]
• Steve Young - 33 (first round pick of the 1984 NFL Supplemental Draft)^[51]
• Luke Kuechly – 34 (first-round pick in the 2012 NFL Draft)^[47]
• Joe Burrow - 34 (upcoming pick in the 2020 NFL Draft)^[49]
• Aaron Rodgers – 35 (first-round pick in the 2005 NFL Draft)^[42]
• Jonathan Ogden - 35 (Fourth overall pick in the 1996 NFL Draft)^[48]
• Jake Fromm - 35 (upcoming pick in the 2020 NFL Draft)^[49]
• Jared Goff – 36 (first overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft)
• Sam Bradford – 36 (first overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft)^[51]
• Daniel Jones  – 37 (first round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft)^[47]
• Andrew Luck – 37 (first overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft)^[47]
• Tony Romo – 37 (undrafted in 2003)^[42]
• Josh Allen - 37 (first-round pick in the 2018 NFL Draft)^[50]
• Matthew Stafford – 38 (first overall pick in the 2009 NFL Draft)^[54]
• Eli Manning – 39 (first overall pick in the 2004 NFL Draft)^[42]
• Alex Smith – 40 (first overall pick in the 2005 NFL Draft)^[55]
• Carson Wentz – 40 (first-round, second overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft)^[56]
• Nate Stanley - 40 (upcoming pick in the 2020 NFL Draft)^[49]
• Calvin Johnson – 41 (first-round pick in the 2007 NFL Draft)^[57]
• Justin Blalock - 41 (second-round pick in the 2007 NFL Draft)^[33]
• Ryan Nassib – 41 (fourth-round pick in the 2013 NFL Draft)^[58]
• Blaine Gabbert – 42 (first-round pick in the 2011 NFL Draft)^[59]
• Gardner Minshew - 42 (sixth-round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft)^[60]
• Eric Decker – 43 (third-round pick in the 2010 NFL Draft)^[61]
• Greg McElroy – 43 (seventh-round pick in the 2011 NFL Draft)^[62]
• John Urschel – 43 (fifth-round pick in the 2014 NFL Draft); began working on a PhD in math at MIT in 2016^[63][64]
• Matt Birk – 46 (sixth-round pick in the 1998 NFL Draft)^[65]
• Ryan Fitzpatrick – 48 (seventh-round pick in the 2005 NFL Draft; finished test in a record nine minutes)^[66]
• Ben Watson – 48 (first-round pick in the 2004 NFL Draft)^[67]
• Mike Mamula – 49 (first-round pick in the 1995 NFL Draft; second highest score ever reported)^[68]
• Pat McInally – 50 (fifth-round pick in the 1975 NFL Draft; only player known to have gotten a perfect score)^[69]

[cookinbrak]

On 4/17/2020 at 8:55 PM, Tbe said:

Yeah, but that was a different time.

Yeah, history was more recent.

[Shocker]

I took one and got a 38.  Missed some of the last ones cause I was sick of answering 50 questions.  Not really that hard.

13 out of 50 is terrible 

[Valentino]

Trevor Lawrence is 100

[kungfoodude]

8 hours ago, RASTAN66 said:

 

Where might you guy be sourcing backup for such opinions?

Doesn't add up.

I mean you can just Google the SAT/ACT scores studies. At best they have been shown to mildly correlate. 

Some universities have done away with the standardized testing requirement entirely.

[kungfoodude]

5 hours ago, Shocker said:

I took one and got a 38.  Missed some of the last ones cause I was sick of answering 50 questions.  Not really that hard.

13 out of 50 is terrible 

Yeah, I struggle with that. You get pretty bored of the poo towards the end.

[bigdavis]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I struggle with that. You get pretty bored of the poo towards the end.

Well, Prof, I couldn't finish - 12 minutes time limit ran out on me with 5 Q's left, but I got 41 right of the ones I answered. (still don't agree with "different' and 'unrelated' being 2 dissimilar .)

All of you should take the test (a sample) and see how you'd judge these college athletes' performance on it, as compared to your own.  (I see the test is often unavailable due to traffic)

https://www.test-guide.com/free-wonderlic-practice-tests.html

Be sure to set your timers.  It's fun, and will explain each answer.

[CatTower]

Some people just aren't good test takers.  Maybe they have ADHD, which has actually shown to improve sports ability.  So, sitting down taking a test is just too trivial for them to care about, they excel in chaotic environments.

"Athletes with ADHD tend to perform better in sports that require hyper focus, i.e. short and intense bursts of attention. They can be in the moment, with a heightened awareness of their immediate environment. They excel in chaotic conditions and thrive under pressure." - Forbes