Verge's Mock Draft and Insight thread 2020

[FuFuLamePoo]

If Okudah is there, sprint to the podium full stop. If he's not, I actually wonder if WR might be the best move. It's a historic WR class. Sure, we signed Anderson and have other young WRs but some of those guys could become trade bait. And we know Joe Brady wants five WRs he can continue to rotate in and out. Rhule said it best, you draft for five or six years down the road not for the very next season. Everyone acts like we have to take Brow because that's our "biggest" need but who fuging cares? We could have a historic haul (won't happen since Hurney will draft four LBs on day three) and still at most win six games next year. If CeeDee Lamb could have a Julio Jones impact on this franchise, I think it'd be a great pick considering we're trying to build for the future not for next year.

[FuFuLamePoo]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Guys that pile up stats are sexy picks, but how much did having Luke and CMC and DJ Moore last year help us in terms of translating to wins? If you're weak in the trenches, then you're just plain weak.

Are you trying to say that production doesn't matter? For a DL? What in the world? I'm not saying DT's aren't important I'm mainly concerned that we draft a good player at 7 and not a bad one.

[FuFuLamePoo]

6 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

^^^^^^ this 100000% what are these guys talking about. those guys were generationally talent. Brown is just the next big Star like guy to come down the pipe.

And for that 2013 draft, Star was the PERFECT pick. We were close to having a playoff roster, but that was still a glaring need and a great player fell. I loved that pick. If we had the 2013 roster then yes, Derrick Brown would be a great pick. But we need OL, DE, DT, LB, CB, and S. Address a position that has more value!!!!

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Are you trying to say that production doesn't matter? For a DL? What in the world? I'm not saying DT's aren't important I'm mainly concerned that we draft a good player at 7 and not a bad one.

I'm saying that the primary impact of a DT is often not measurable in their own stats. They're oftentimes the difference between a LB making a tackle for a short gain or making a chase down tackle 10 yards downfield.

[FuFuLamePoo]

10 minutes ago, CaliPanthers said:

But yet Daniel Jerimiah, who was a pro scout and has Derrick Brown rated 4th overall doesn't know what he is talking about. I didn't compare his playing strength to Reggie White, Bucky Brooks did. I said I think he can have a Fletcher Cox like impact and build a defense around him. Cox had 4 more reps than Brown, that's not a huge deal. Cox is the better pass rusher but not by much when you count in how much pressure Brown gets from the interrior. Add in the fact that Brown is better than Cox at handling double teams and defending the run out of college. That's probably why Brown is the higher rated prospect than Cox was coming out. 

I'm aware I'm much lower on Brown than most. His combine really soured me, I don't like spending high picks on players that aren't athletes. I'm not saying he's a bad player, the problem is I think he's going to just be good and never much more. I don't see the potential for him to grow much as a pass rusher, and taking a DL in the top 10 that isn't a good pass rusher seems like horrific value to me. We should try to land a pro bowl talent at that spot, not someone who's just going to be a solid two down player. 

[micnificent28]

21 minutes ago, CaliPanthers said:

But yet Daniel Jerimiah, who was a pro scout and has Derrick Brown rated 4th overall doesn't know what he is talking about. I didn't compare his playing strength to Reggie White, Bucky Brooks did. I said I think he can have a Fletcher Cox like impact and build a defense around him. Cox had 4 more reps than Brown, that's not a huge deal. Cox is the better pass rusher but not by much when you count in how much pressure Brown gets from the interrior. Add in the fact that Brown is better than Cox at handling double teams and defending the run out of college. That's probably why Brown is the higher rated prospect than Cox was coming out. 

I dont get this at all... They are really nothing alike in any way... size strength speed whatever... Cox came to the combine 298.  here is his nfl profile.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

 Cox is an impressive athlete who is capable of making big, impactful plays from the interior of the defensive line. He is extremely quick off the ball and can get into the backfield as quickly as any tackle prospect in the country. He has a high motor and pursues down the line of scrimmage with aggression. He can snap his hips into the offensive line to get a blow-back effect and is equally as fluid to dip and rip his hips around would-be tacklers and get into the backfield. Cox has very active hands that he uses efficiently to keep blockers off him. He is a serious athlete at the position who would immediately bolster the front of any defense and would work well in a rotation to be a fresh, impact player on passing downs.

WEAKNESSES

 Cox allows himself to get completely washed away when faced with a double team, an example of the raw nature of his play. He tries to rely too heavily upon his athletic ability when working against the run and doesn't think to set an anchor and remain a presence and gap-filler within the scheme he plays in. Fletcher could be a high risk-high reward player as a rookie.

Derrick Brown 

Overview

Defensive tackle with rare combination of size and disruptive traits who frequently bludgeoned inferior competition across from him. Brown's snap quickness allows him to take muddy running lanes by re-setting the line of scrimmage. He has the ability to power into gaps, but he really shines when he drops his anchor to stall double-teams or punch, press and prey on runners as a two-gapper. Brown's upright rush style means he might be more of a pressure rusher than a sack-man, but he should keep improving as a rusher with more dedication to the craft. He could become a high-impact starter early in his career with an All-Pro ceiling and good starter floor.

These 2 are nothing alike.

[micnificent28]

20 minutes ago, CaliPanthers said:

They are more alike than your letting on. Look at my full sentence you bolded. Cox is a better pass rusher but not by much when you count in how much pressure Brown gets from the interior.

Scouting report says about Brown: He might be more of a pressure rusher than a sack man... That's fine with me.

Browns ability to push the interior with his strength and snap quickness and get pressure on the QB to move off his spot or leave the pocket is huge. The scouting report basically matches up with what I said. You don't have to get sacks to have an impact rushing the passer IMO, getting pressure has an impact too. Add in that Brown is the better run defender and can take on double teams better freeing up teammates to make more plays.

If you actually red the reports it says that Cox is more an athlete and can get swallowed by the double team. You will never hear that about brown because power is his main trait. I don't think they are playing the same game.

[TheSpecialJuan]

36 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

If you actually red the reports it says that Cox is more an athlete and can get swallowed by the double team. You will never hear that about brown because power is his main trait. I don't think they are playing the same game.

[micnificent28]

3 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

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[*FreeFua*]

5 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

If you actually red the reports it says that Cox is more an athlete and can get swallowed by the double team. You will never hear that about brown because power is his main trait. I don't think they are playing the same game.

Watch Brown against Bama 2018 & 19 and if you removed all the numbers on the Auburn jerseys and I told you our top 10 pick would come from this unit, you’d be straight up guessing who I was talking about. 

We could get a good chunk of the production we’d be getting from Brown at a fraction of the cost of using a top 10 pick elsewhere if this organization was worth a damn. Which we’re not and he’s most likely our pick at 7.

[micnificent28]

2 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

Watch Brown against Bama 2018 & 19 and if you removed all the numbers on the Auburn jerseys and I told you our top 10 pick would come from this unit, you’d be straight up guessing who I was talking about. 

We could get a good chunk of the production we’d be getting from Brown at a fraction of the cost of using a top 10 pick elsewhere if this organization was worth a damn. Which we’re not and he’s most likely our pick at 7.

I'm agree with you. I like Brown... But I dont want to spent  a top 10 pick on such a limited guy. Simmons is a generational talent and athlete. in the top 10 you want guys that can do more. I dont get that from brown.

[MMA]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'm saying that the primary impact of a DT is often not measurable in their own stats. They're oftentimes the difference between a LB making a tackle for a short gain or making a chase down tackle 10 yards downfield.

You’re speaking of a guy we once had. We let him go and kept Short. What was his name? Oh, Star. 

[FuFuLamePoo]

4 minutes ago, MMA said:

You’re speaking of a guy we once had. We let him go and kept Short. What was his name? Oh, Star. 

Yeah Star was fine but I wouldn’t spent a top 7 pick on him 

[MMA]

10 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

I'm agree with you. I like Brown... But I dont want to spent  a top 10 pick on such a limited guy. Simmons is a generational talent and athlete. in the top 10 you want guys that can do more. I dont get that from brown.

Yeah I’m not wanting to spend a top 7 pick on a DT that would just fill a big hole on the depth chart. I like brown but he’s not the next coming of Sapp, Suh or Donald. You only take a DT that high if he can get to the QB.